145 CEO's Send Letter to Congress Demanding Action on Gun Control

Status
Not open for further replies.
On election night 2020, what will be in the minds of the voters - what these CEO's signed or matters much closer to voters' hearts/lives?

I KNOW what will be in the minds of gun owner voters. ;) What these CEOs signed will be the last thing on their minds. :D

And I BET law makers know that too. (And we have over a year to go to piss more voters off. :rofl:)

Believe me, these social justice warrior CEOs are HELPING our cause.


I woule like to agree and want to agree but I am afraid that there are more anit gun voters out there. The media has done a good job of inflating and lying about the whole issue. Social media is the worse.

I read in the paper today in some pro UBC article that there is one online site (probably Gun Broken) where there is over a MILLION guns that people can buy without a back ground check!. Now we all know it is down right LIE.

There is another article about how the flaws in BC allow mass shooter to obtain guns, Again they skew the facts and people belive it.

This is what I wrote elsewhere,

Mass shooters exploited gaps, errors in US background checks | FOX 10 Phoenix

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ma...kground-checks


The title is what the headline reads. Read the whole article. BGC do nothing. I am also sick of hearing everyday the media lying about how people can purchase guns online without a BGC. Today they said on one web site there are over a MILLION of guns that can be purchased with no BGC (Gun Broken perhaps??)
How misleading! and shows that BC checks do little to nothing, but I do not think that was their intent.

Per the article

The shootings in Newton, Washington and Santa Fe had nothing to do with BC checks

The shootings in Parkland, Orlando, Oregon and Aurora all passed BC checks.

What about Virginia Beach and Aberdeen Maryland or do those not fit the MSM agenda??


I believe they left out several other shootings but would need to research them
 
We have over a year to go before the 2020 presidential election.

I am sure, and counting on people fact checking everything and believe truth will percolate to the surface by that time.

Besides, we all know gun owners wanting to protect and preserve gun rights/2A will vote for Trump but I am counting on voters who don't want to pay for socialist left programs and I do believe there are many of these voters, likely way more than anti gun voters. ;)
 
I've said for years that guns are inherently not a right-left issue. We need to decouple gun rights from conservatism in general. This is where the NRA is making a huge mistake. By making itself an arm of the Republican party, it gives political cover for everyone who is not a Republican to oppose guns.
The Democrats have made gun control a left-right issue. Anything else is willful blindness.

At the leadership level, the Democrat Party is 100% all in on racially invidious gun controls. Denying that is delusional.
 
I would love to meet all these pro gun Democrats that are also anti abortion, anti high taxes, anti illegal immigration, anti welfare and anti socialism. I've not met one, not even remotely.

Partisan issues are a real thing and that's why you can't be pro 2A and Democrat.

You can "utopianize" this to death but if you claim to be pro 2A and vote Dem then you are not really pro 2A. There is no reasonable way I've heard to separate specific partisan politics.

In for a penny in for a pound...
 
I would love to meet all these pro gun Democrats that are also anti abortion, anti high taxes, anti illegal immigration, anti welfare and anti socialism. I've not met one, not even remotely.

Partisan issues are a real thing and that's why you can't be pro 2A and Democrat.

You can "utopianize" this to death but if you claim to be pro 2A and vote Dem then you are not really pro 2A. There is no reasonable way I've heard to separate specific partisan politics.

In for a penny in for a pound...
Any genuinely pro-gun Democrat has about as much influence in today's party as a random yak herder in Bhutan.

To them we're at best dopes they can hoodwink into disarming ourselves, at worst "domestic terrorists".

This "bipartisan compromise" nonsense reminds me of every abused woman I've ever known who blamed herself for her own abuse and maintained the delusion that if she only tried just that little bit harder, he'd see just how much she loved him and he'd change.
 
Good Ol' Boy,

I have worked in state government service for 24 years before I retired and growing number of Democrats, liberals, feminists, LGBTQ and even young progressives/Bernie supporters have bought guns. Millions of guns have been sold in recent decade and many of these guns were bought by lifelong Democrats for many reasons but self/family protection usually being the primary reasons. When I meet them, I talk with them situations of immediate self defense when police response is slow/none and the significance of gun rights and the Second Amendment and offer to teach them defensive/point shooting (My "Pay It Forward" for retirement) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...endence-from-work.853305/page-2#post-11175698

To those that I talk to and teach defensive/point shooting to, I simply ask them to vote for Trump in 2020. I fully expect them to vehemently pursue their other agendas but ask them to make an exception for 2020. I tell them they could vote for whoever in 2024 but express the judicial importance of 2020 election that could secure the future of gun rights/2A for decades and generations as the next president will be able to tilt the various federal district/circuit courts and the Supreme Court in favor of gun rights/2A.

There have been some lifelong Democrat coworkers who I taught to shoot who voted for Trump in 2016. When they called to let me know, it was an emotional moment for both of us as some of them have been victims of crime or their family/friends were. I won't be surprised if they also vote for Trump in 2020.
 
Also, that there are a lot of cases that are in the process of overturning bad legislation, and a lot that have already succeeded. The problem is, as hard as it is to get any legislation to pass, it is even harder to reverse it, as it would require those in power to admit that the system made a mistake. There is...

Yes! Another vote for any & all new legislation to have...a SUNSET CLAUSE

and we don't need any more. Sometimes maybe we are our own worst enemy because we pee and moan on the gun boards, but do not rattle the cages of our congresscritters often. It's a stamp, an envelope, a piece of paper or an e-mail. A couple of minutes
To that I would add a phone call. Otherwise, you got it:thumbup:!!
 
LiveLife gets it. Far more important in the long run is to influence your circle of acquaintances to support the 2A rather than rely on whimsy of our elected officials to do the right thing. Educating folks about the historic and current reasons for the 2A and being a good ambassador of the 2A by gently correcting myths promoted by the media and gun grabbers can go a long way in 2020 if you start now.
 
Last edited:
I’m glad Beyond Meat is on there, I can use that as an excuse to say no if I am ever offered one of their plant based hamburgers...

If ya gotta eat meat substitutes, look at Loma Linda Foods. They've been around since 1890 and haven't tied themselves to a leftist, anti-gun agenda so far as I know.
I had to eat this stuff at church and private school dinners.
It's tolerable and apolitical.
 
;)

And I wonder what will speak louder to Congress?

145 CEOs signing canned letter (That's 145 votes) or thousands of voters sending emails/letters/calls to Congress?

145 vs thousands of votes ... :rofl:

Yup, politicians live and work to get re-elected.

Problem is, those 145 CEO's can funnel more money towards congress than the thousands of voters you mention. Wouldn't even be close.

Guess who gets a congress critters ears, a CEO with deep pockets, or a few voters? Money, via media, buys votes.
 
Problem is, those 145 CEO's can funnel more money towards congress than the thousands of voters you mention.
LiveLife gets it. Far more important in the long run is to influence your circle of acquaintances to support the 2A rather than rely on whimsy of our elected officials to do the right thing. Educating folks about the historic and current reasons for the 2A and being a good ambassador of the 2A by gentling correcting myths promoted by the media and gun grabbers can go a long way in 2020 if you start now.
Time will tell.

What the anti gun crowd/media and anti gun law makers don't want to admit is that ultimately, there is a factor that every voter must consider - crime against the voters.

Think about it, is there any city/town that is crime free?

No.

As the antis are screaming for gun ban, voters from all walks of life (where crime has not disappeared) will ask the million dollar question:

"What will happen if guns are banned/confiscated and law abiding citizens don't have guns?" ... wait for it ... < drum roll please > ... ONLY THE CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS!!! :eek::eek::eek: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And I am starting to hear these questions posed on radio talk shows, even liberal radio shows and to my surprise, some hosts are admitting to the following.

Callers ask:
  • Will gun ban/confiscation stop mass killing? - No, gun ban/confiscation will not address people being violent and they will keep on killing.
  • Will gun ban/confiscation stop crime? - No, criminals will always get/keep their guns to continue committing crime. In fact, crime rate will likely INCREASE.
  • If the Second Amendment can be defeated, can other Bill of Rights be defeated? This question is often followed by awkward silence with slow "y ... e ... s" Oh my, I have a feeling that "Originalist" Supreme Court justices will make sure that doesn't happen.
Here's a great interview with justice Gorsuch with specific question on the Second Amendment and why the US Constitution is applicable as a "living" document amended "By the Peope" and the job of the SCOTUS is to enforce the Bill of Rights and says "Our Bill of Rights is excellent" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...with-question-on-the-second-amendment.856201/

So, we just need to ensure Trump gets re-elected in 2020 to appoint more federal judges and justices so the SCOTUS can do its job of enforcing the Bill of Rights and what CEOs think about gun rights won't matter.
 
Last edited:
Time will tell.

What the anti gun crowd/media and anti gun law makers don't want to admit is that ultimately, there is a factor that every voter must consider - crime against the voters.

Think about it, is there any city/town that is crime free?

No.

As the antis are screaming for gun ban, voters from all walks of life (where crime has not disappeared) will ask the million dollar question:

"What will happen if guns are banned/confiscated and law abiding citizens don't have guns?" ... wait for it ... < drum roll please > ... ONLY THE CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS!!! :eek::eek::eek: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And I am starting to hear these questions posed on radio talk shows, even liberal radio shows and to my surprise, some hosts are admitting to the following.

Callers ask:
  • Will gun ban/confiscation stop mass killing? - No, gun ban/confiscation will not address people being violent and they will keep on killing.
  • Will gun ban/confiscation stop crime? - No, criminals will always get/keep their guns to continue committing crime. In fact, crime rate will likely INCREASE.
  • If the Second Amendment can be defeated, can other Bill of Rights be defeated? This question is often followed by awkward silence with slow "y ... e ... s" Oh my, I have a feeling that "Originalist" Supreme Court justices will make sure that doesn't happen.
Here's a great interview with justice Gorsuch with specific question on the Second Amendment and why the US Constitution is applicable as a "living" document amended "By the Peope" and the job of the SCOTUS is to enforce the Bill of Rights and says "Our Bill of Rights is excellent" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...with-question-on-the-second-amendment.856201/

The height of the anti-gun sentiment was actually in the late 50's and early 60's when crime was low and the Gallup poll indicated that in 1959, 60 percent of Americans favored banning handguns. Lot of other historical and current polling data on firearms as opposed to media junk polling https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
 
Livelife:
How many of those average voters have had lunch with their senator, congress person, or the president? I guarantee you many of those CEO's have.

Why? Simple answer, donations. Congress thrives on money for campaigns. As you said, their job is to get re-elected, not cater to the whims of a few voters.
 
Speedo66, so tell me why then did Trump win in 2016 when these same CEOs/companies donated against Trump?

And I believe for the same reasons (And especially for securing judicial future for gun rights/2A), Trump will win again in 2020.

As to already known anti gun CEOs and companies signing a letter to Congress ... won't change much because their donations are already factored in but the letter will expose these companies for gun owners to expand their boycott.

Time will tell.

My bet is on Trump winning in 2020.
 
Last edited:
The media would have you believe this is a big deal. Look at the list of the companies. Most are dinky little companies located in gun control bastions like the Bay area. It read like the Chamber of Commerce list for a medium size city in California.

Without looking, could most anyone tell you what HipDot makes? Or Uniform Teeth? Or Quartzly? The answer is no. I had to look them up to see who the heck they were.

Only six of these companies with over 500 employees are on the S&P 500 - Ecolab, Gap, Interpublic, Omnicon, Royal Caribbean, and Twitter. Some of the others are big names like DICK's, Levi Strauss, and Bloomberg.
 
So, we just need to ensure Trump gets re-elected in 2020 to appoint more federal judges and justices so the SCOTUS can do its job of enforcing the Bill of Rights and what CEOs think about gun rights won't matter.
Trump has outsourced the judicial selection process to the Federalist Society. If you want to see what Trump judicial appointments will look like, study the Federalist Society agenda. The 2nd Amendment is not high on their list of priorities. More important will be knocking down "socialist" things like single-payer health care. (But if that happens, expect the Democrats to retaliate against the Court by increasing its membership. This is why CJ Roberts will temper the Court's decisions. Above all he's protective of the Court's institutional standing.)
 
My brother is a pro gun Democrat. Guns and computers are pretty much the only thing we have in common. He and I can go not talking for months and then I get a text that he has bought something new. Pro/anti gun is not as clear cut as anyone thinks it is. As there are plenty of Republicans who push for gun control as well.

With all the Democrat runners saying gun control, I am fairly certain that even my brother will vote for Trump 2020.
 
Trump has outsourced the judicial selection process to the Federalist Society. If you want to see what Trump judicial appointments will look like, study the Federalist Society agenda. The 2nd Amendment is not high on their list of priorities.
I am very happy with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh appointments by Trump and way better than had Hillary did the appointments. ;):D

OK, enough hijacking the thread.

Back to OP of 145 CEOs signing a letter to the Congress.
 
They may get a chance soon to knock down a state AWB (Virginia). Let's see if they take it up.
Or, let's not give up so easily, and fight it BEFORE it becomes reality. Because, again, it is harder to overturn than to prevent.
 
Or, let's not give up so easily, and fight it BEFORE it becomes reality. Because, again, it is harder to overturn than to prevent.
It goes against my nature to vote for the Republicans. But I will grit my teeth and do so, in the upcoming Virginia election, because of the gravity of the gun situation. My vote won't make a difference though, because all my local legislators are Democrats, and they will be re-elected by a wide margin. Maybe some other parts of the state can make a difference. The odds are not good. Time to start making contingency plans.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top