NJ Magazine backfires as not a single one has been turned in

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NJ MAGAZINE BAN BACKFIRES AS NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN TURNED IN

Jared Harris

www.westernjournal.com [1]

10 Sep 201


If you want a glimpse at how gun and magazine bans [2] might work across America, look no further than New Jersey.

The state’s ban on so-called high-capacity magazines went into effect in December of last year, but results so far show that patriotic gun owners won’t fall for government-enforced disarmament so easily.

The ban makes possession of magazines that hold over 10 rounds illegal for most people.

Punishment for owning one of the targeted magazines includes 18 months in prison and a whopping $10,000 fine.

According to NJ.com [3], a New Jersey State Police spokesman confirmed that not a single magazine has been turned in to the state, despite the jail time and massive fine that could come with the possession of a banned item.

Instead, citizens are getting creative.

Some have allegedly turned to burying their now-illegal magazines in underground caches. Others have sealed them up in walls.

Despite the dystopian [4] turn of events in New Jersey, local businesses are finding a way to profit from the law while providing a valuable service to those unwilling to hide their magazines.

For $1.25 per magazine, per month, GunSitters allows residents to use the law’s secure storage option to keep their magazines in a locked vault. Of course, this renders the magazine virtually useless in a home invasion or other crisis.

Not all of those funds are pure profit, however.

A lawsuit challenging the ban is partially funded by storage fees from GunSitters. After being collected, 20% of the funds are diverted to the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, the group behind the legal challenge.

While there’s no clear indication how many now-illegal magazines are held in New Jersey, the low cost and near-universal availability before the law mean there could be millions hidden or locked in vaults.

New Jersey’s ban on large magazines [5] and the underwhelming aftermath hint at larger problems for leftist gun-grabbing legislation.

If citizens are unwilling to hand over something as simple as magazines, what makes Democratic presidential candidates like former Rep. Beto O’Rourke and Sen. Elizabeth Warren think nationwide bans would be any more productive?

As some have warned, confiscation of firearms could lead to bloodshed.

While New Jersey wisely decided not to go the route of aggressive confiscation, patriotic disobedience is ensuring that magazines of all types will be available in the state regardless of what the law says.
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[1] http://www.westernjournal.com

[2]

https://www.westernjournal.com/orou...paign=dailypm&ff_content=conservative-tribune

[3]

https://www.nj.com/news/2019/09/nj-...of-banned-gun-magazines-in-a-steel-vault.html

[4]

https://www.westernjournal.com/beto...paign=dailypm&ff_content=conservative-tribune

[5]

https://www.westernjournal.com/bide...paign=dailypm&ff_content=conservative-tribune

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hps
 
If citizens are unwilling to hand over something as simple as magazines, what makes Democratic presidential candidates like former Rep. Beto O’Rourke and Sen. Elizabeth Warren think nationwide bans would be any more productive?

Ah, it is productive though. Everyone that possesses one is now a criminal and if caught with one will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Use one in a legitimate self defense situation, you get to go to go to jail. Pay fines, pay a probation officer be stripped of other rights. They see that as a win, win and win...

Only law abiding “free” citizens see it as stupid.
 
Ah, it is productive though. Everyone that possesses one is now a criminal and if caught with one will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Use one in a legitimate self defense situation, you get to go to go to jail. Pay fines, pay a probation officer be stripped of other rights. They see that as a win, win and win...

IMHO, It's just a matter of time until they make us all criminals, you just have a choice: bump stocks, magazines or hoild out for AWB bans and semi-auto bans.

Contact your Congress critters.

Donate to your 2A organizations.

Vote for your RKBA in 2019, 2020 and beyond.
 
IMHO, It's just a matter of time until they make us all criminals, you just have a choice: bump stocks, magazines or hoild out for AWB bans and semi-auto bans.

I don’t have a choice to become a criminal as a legal owner of NFA items they know where to come anyway. They know a machine gun with a 10 round mag would be silly anyway.
 
I don’t have a choice to become a criminal as a legal owner of NFA items they know where to come anyway. They know a machine gun with a 10 round mag would be silly anyway.

That's exactly why I don't have any NFA items.

Contact your Congress critters.

Donate to your 2A organizations.

Vote for your RKBA in 2019, 2020 and beyond.
 
I figure if, in the future, I decide I want to become a felon, that door will always be available. For now I’ll remain a law abiding citizen.

Not sure what you meant by that, but I'm giving you the doubt. I am also law abiding, just without any NFA items
 
Everyone that possesses one is now a criminal and if caught with one will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Like they prosecute those denied after NICS check? :rofl:

What GAO Found Investigations and prosecutions. Federal and selected state law enforcement agencies that process firearm-related background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) collectively investigate and prosecute a small percentage of individuals who falsify information on a firearms form (e.g., do not disclose a felony conviction) and are denied a purchase.

Federal NICS checks resulted in about 112,000 denied transactions in fiscal year 2017, of which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) referred about 12,700 to its field divisions for further investigation.

U.S. Attorney’s Offices (USAO) had prosecuted 12 of these cases as of June 2018.

Table: Federal National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Firearms Denial Cases Investigated and Prosecuted, Fiscal Year 2017Federal NICS TransactionsDenialsATF Field Division InvestigationsUnited States Attorney’s Offices Prosecutions8,606,286112,09012,7101

https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/694290.pdf

My point is, there are sufficient laws on the books if they were enforced, IMHO.

Regards,
hps
 
Bans, prohibitions, buybacks. Legislation with proven track record of huge successes and profits if you enjoy working in the organized crime field.
 
Ah, it is productive though. Everyone that possesses one is now a criminal and if caught with one will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Use one in a legitimate self defense situation, you get to go to go to jail. Pay fines, pay a probation officer be stripped of other rights. They see that as a win, win and win...

Only law abiding “free” citizens see it as stupid.
I wonder if that was part of the thought process. They know if you're prosecuted for possession of a prohibited item, like a magazine, you won't be eligible to vote anymore. Bingo, no more fear of the gun owner vote...
 
State bans can be negated by storing your stuff across the state line in a gun-friendlier state. We may be faced with that here in Virginia after this November's election. Luckily, for me, West Virginia is not too far away.
For $1.25 per magazine, per month, GunSitters allows residents to use the law’s secure storage option to keep their magazines in a locked vault.
If you have 200 or 300 banned magazines, that becomes too expensive. Just rent a storage unit (in another state).
 
It's hard to accurately gauge non-compliance. When NY's "SAFE" Act came along, you could get rid of your 10+ magazines by giving them to an FFL. FFLs were allowed to have them in stock and sell them to out-of-state buyers. Or you could destroy them -- smash 'em with a sledgehammer and put them in the trash.

The gist is that those magazines wouldn't have shown up on anybody's "compliance" list.
 
Read the initial report and my only thought was the question “Has anyone been charged”?

Until then it’s just more posturing as far as I’m concerned. I’m lucky enough to live in another state, although from what I’ve read they certainly have a reputation for bad laws that they cheerfully enforce.

If there’s been some enforcement action I’d like to hear about it.
 
the fact that it is banned makes it a win for the left. use one in any fashion and be caught doing so and you will arrested, convicted, stripped of guns and rights.
 
Why are we OK with antis banning "arms"? Consider the following.


Multiple sources site Revolutionary Army soldiers and Minutemen often carried 60 rounds of ammunition as musket/rifle alone was not an effective functioning "arm" without ammunition ;) - http://www.history-of-american-wars.com/revolutionary-war-weapons.html


BTW, when city of Los Angeles banned larger than 10 round magazines in 2015, after 60 days, NOT ONE magazine was turned in - https://www.ammoland.com/2015/11/los-angeles-bans-highcap-mags-not-1-turned-in/


Keep in mind that on 3/29/19, federal judge Benitez wrote "The district court in [Fyock v. Sunnyvale], found that 'magazines having a capacity to accept more than ten rounds are in common use, and are therefore not dangerous and unusual.' ... The district court found that the large capacity magazines qualify as 'arms' for purposes of the Second Amendment." and ruled with judgement concluding, "Magazines holding more than 10 rounds are 'arms.'" and constitutional - http://michellawyers.com/wp-content...-2019-03-29-Order-Granting-Plaintiffs-MSJ.pdf

So we need to educate ourselves and start calling magazine or any ammunition storage device as "arms" as "right to keep and bear arms" include both the firearm and ammunition storage device/magazine. :)
 
I hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but they could have still got rid of the magazines. Trash cans, out of state gun shows, relatives in other states, selling them in classifies, theirs dozens of ways to get rid of magazines without turning them in.

The law still worked.
 
the fact that it is banned makes it a win for the left. use one in any fashion and be caught doing so and you will arrested, convicted, stripped of guns and rights.

Only the ones they can find...
 
The law still worked.
Until challenged in court and overturned like California.

CA "tried" to ban larger than 10 round capacity magazines but federal judge Benitez ruled on 3/29/19 with judgement (which forced LE agencies to immediately recognize legality of larger than 10 round capacity magazines as soon as the ruling was made) that legalized all larger than 10 round capacity magazines and manufacturing/importing of larger than 10 round capacity magazines.

So judge Benitez OVERTURNED unconstitutional CA state law on 3/29/19.

On 4/5/19, judge Benitez agreed to a request for stay by CA until the case could be appealed to the 9th Circuit Court but during the week since 3/29/19, ALL LARGER THAN 10 ROUND CAPACITY magazines in possession by Californians and newly manufactured/imported/sold magazines until 4/5/19 BECAME LEGAL and are still LEGAL TODAY - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-4#post-11102503
 
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