President Trump "I will never ever allow them to take away your sacred right to keep and bear arms"

Well, if he said it, it must be true.

They're politicians. They're playing to their constituents' fears.
The Democrats in the foreground are promising to limit gun rights without proposing any effective way to take them from anyone that isn't a legal gun owner.
Trump's entire backing demands their gun rights, but he has already proven to not only sign away what ownership rights he thinks "aren't important," but to do so without any proper process or concession.
They're levering for votes.
That's. It.

LiveLife said:

and I will never ever allow them to take away your sacred right to keep and bear arms"

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A quotation like that is vague enough to mean anything.

A.) He's already made it clear he will make compromises

B.) What does HE think constitutes the 'right to keep and bear arms"

C.) New anti constitutional legislation is coming. Maybe not today but too soon.

I would say at best we have trump for a second term followed by a swift change in legislation as a Democrat is elected.

roscoe said:

Well, if he said it, it must be true.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA! I haven't spit coffee in awhile ... <chuckle> ... read that and laughed out loud. Thanks for that.

We need to keep the pressure on Trump.
As this shows while he was wrong on the bump stock “compromise” he’s still better than the alternative.

Not to pick sides but either we support him or we are done as any of these anti gun zealots will gut the 2nd Amendment and make sure the UN Small Arms Treaty is implemented. And for those who haven’t actually read it, it’s frightening.

But supporting him doesn’t mean we can’t flood the White House with calls and letters and keep pressure on.

Hokie_PhD said:

We need to keep the pressure on Trump.
As this shows while he was wrong on the bump stock “compromise” he’s still better than the alternative.

Not to pick sides but either we support him or we are done as any of these anti gun zealots will gut the 2nd Amendment and make sure the UN Small Arms Treaty is implemented. And for those who haven’t actually read it, it’s frightening.

But supporting him doesn’t mean we can’t flood the White House with calls and letters and keep pressure on.

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Its a binary choice. Pick your poisen. One is bitter and hard to swallow sometimes. The other is lethal.

Trump likes the NRA because they gave him 30 million dollars.

South Prairie Jim said:

Trump likes the NRA because they gave him 30 million dollars.

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That ... and the fact that most of the "basket of deplorables" members are probably gun owners.

Anyone like what I did there with the juxtaposition of "fact" and "probably" in that sentence?

It seemed apropos to me considering the subject matter ...

-If you believe the promises of politicians about anything important and don't ride their cases when they don't follow up... what ELSE is wrong with you?

I’ll take Trump over Beto. I’ll take Trump over any of them. Bash the guy all you want to. Yes. He banned bumpstocks. The bastard. But how’d that work out? He’s also filling courts with conservative constitutionalist judges. And that’s where the real fight will be held. If any of the quacks on the democratic ticket actually win, you’ll all be praising Trump for those appointments. Because they’ll be the ones saving your rights.

South Prairie Jim said:

Trump likes the NRA because they gave him 30 million dollars.

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I'm sure billionaire Trump was completely bought by that pocket change .....

"I will never ever allow them to take away your sacred right to keep and bear arms"

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This the problem for true believers in Trump and the GOP - the phrase 'Take Away". They always promote the defense for funding raising but defense allows the slow creep and erosion of rights. Look at Dump the Bump Trump. There was no reason to do that except for his erratic personality. The NRA story that unless he dumped the Bump, the Congress would have banned all 'assault rifles' is just Save the Wayne BS.

What has the GOP done positively recently? The AWB expired (and GWB would have signed the renewal). For the most part, Heller hasn't stopped the state bans or lifted most restrictions. Granted there have been a fewl like in Illinois and some positive lower court statements (that are usually reversed).

Bills to advance the RKBA on the Congressional Level - Do you hear Donald or the GOP ever making the HPA, Reciprocity, the SAGA act (gets rid of state bans) as legislative priorities? Mention them at the State of the Union? They couldn't wait to dump the HPA. When HR 218 passes for LEOs, there was supposed to be a correlated push for reciprocity. Never happened.

Thus, the court appointments have done much yet, so you can chortle about them. Until SCOTUS unambiguously wipes out the state bans and reaffirms that such guns are protected (as Heller waffled on), reaffirms the right to carry outside the home, etc - it's all just hot air.

So the 'take away' is just bait and switch - nothing positive. Send a check, suckers. Donald isn't scared of NO NRA. NRA is in disarray anyway, send a check.

Recall, Donald swore he would be great for the LGBT community. He posts how he supports them. Then his policies are the opposite. Take the hint about him supporting you if he feels that the politics work the other way or he has a random brain toot.

Now, you will say: He's not Hillary.

That was then and this is now. He's the one that has to perform and blind obsequious hero worship doesn't motivate him to perform for the RKBA. As folks sat home for Hillary, he needs a touch of a threat that his support isn't that firm unless he performs. The glacial pace of SCOTUS and refusal to take cases plus the ambiguity of Roberts is very worrisome.

South Prairie Jim said:

Trump likes the NRA because they gave him 30 million dollars.

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Some of that money was mine before I sent it to the NRA. . . and so far I'm pretty happy with how they've spent it.

More to the point, I think Trump likes the NRA because he's realized that if he says and does something like what they want, people like me keep supporting him. There's a word for that. . . um. . . democracy!

Trump might not be an enemy of gun owners, but he's no true friend either. He doesn't really care one way or the other, and it's obvious by the way his opinion on the matter get's swayed depending on who's talked to him last. The only reason he's postulating now is that several Democratic candidates have taken such an extreme position against guns, and Trump's doing what Trump does best and moving the focus to himself.

If he was a pro 2nd Amendment President something would have happened in our favor the first 2 years of his Presidency.

Don't worry everyone, the NRA and the GOP have our backs. Also, words and actions are totally the same thing.

LiveLife said:

"Left wing Democrats want to confiscate your guns and eliminate your God given right to self defense ... As your president, I will never allow them to take away your liberty ... and I will never ever allow them to take away your sacred right to keep and bear arms"

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There's a logical contradiction here -- if a right is "God given" or "sacred" it cannot be taken away, by anyone. Therefore, if you accept this view of things, arguing about a right is moot since anyone attempting to violate such a right would be instantly struck down by fire and brimstone.

We know that that's not the case. The answer, of course, is that no human right is "God-given" or "sacred." Every single human right has been fought for by people, struggling against their reluctant human rulers. No right was ever granted as a free gift.

As a matter of fact, in the state of nature (the jungle), you have the "right" to be eaten equally with the right to defend yourself. The only law is the law of relative strength. If you are weak, you are the lion's next meal.

Let's stop talking about "God-given" rights. It's a stupid and facile trope, and it denigrates our ancestors' sacrifices. They paid dearly for every right that they were able to secure. And rights can be lost far more easily than they were gained.

bassjam said:

Trump might not be an enemy of gun owners, but he's no true friend either. He doesn't really care one way or the other, and it's obvious by the way his opinion on the matter get's swayed depending on who's talked to him last. The only reason he's postulating now is that several Democratic candidates have taken such an extreme position against guns, and Trump's doing what Trump does best and moving the focus to himself.

If he was a pro 2nd Amendment President something would have happened in our favor the first 2 years of his Presidency.

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You mean those first two years he spent getting obstructed by the Democrats on every front and defending himself from the Russian collusion witchhunt? Im surprised he found the time to eat breakfast every morning, let alone push for his campaign promises.......

Ha Ha Ha Ha
You know when a politician is lying?
Their lips move...

edwardware said:

Some of that money was mine before I sent it to the NRA. . . and so far I'm pretty happy with how they've spent it.

More to the point, I think Trump likes the NRA because he's realized that if he says and does something like what they want, people like me keep supporting him. There's a word for that. . . um. . . democracy!

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OR payola

NIGHTLORD40K said:

You mean those first two years he spent getting obstructed by the Democrats on every front and defending himself from the Russian collusion witchhunt? Im surprised he found the time to eat breakfast every morning, let alone push for his campaign promises.......

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Republicans had control of the House and Senate for those 2 years. The only major change in firearms regulation was the banning of bumpstocks. Trump has accomplished more gun control than Obama was able to do in 8 years.