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Is it true that Springfield Armory Pistols are made somewhere in Europe. ? ?
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Made in Illinois, USA.
earlthegoat2
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Seems like there was a Brazil connection sometime in the past. Said so right on the gun if I remember correctly. This was for 1911s.
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My loaded model and Range Officer model 1911 have a tag that says made in the USA attached to it. End of story.
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It used to depend on the level of 1911 as far as I can remember. Only the high ends we're fully USA sourced/made.
They were also supposed to be getting the frames in the raw from Brazil and finishing them in the USA for certain lines.
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Keep in mind that the Springfield Armory of today has nothing to do with the former US Government facility of the same name.
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Friend owned a 1911 from SA. Made in Brazil and he was not happy with it. He sold it and bought a Les Baer.
Sprignfield Armory doesn't manufacture anything. They are an importer and in some cases an assembler of firearms made from parts they purchase from outside vendors. Most of their firearms are imported. Some are assembled here. A handful of their high end guns are assembled from all USA made parts. Others are assembled from parts purchased from other countries.
Leupold claims "Made in the USA" too. But all of their binoculars are imported and even though their scopes are " assembled" here , they buy their glass from foreign sources. It can say "Made in the USA" legally as long as it is assembled here. But there is no guarantee the parts were made here.
A Toyota truck is a Japanese company, but more of their parts are USA made than a Ford, Chevy, or Ram truck. Yet they claim to be USA made too.
Leupold claims "Made in the USA" too. But all of their binoculars are imported and even though their scopes are " assembled" here , they buy their glass from foreign sources. It can say "Made in the USA" legally as long as it is assembled here. But there is no guarantee the parts were made here.
A Toyota truck is a Japanese company, but more of their parts are USA made than a Ford, Chevy, or Ram truck. Yet they claim to be USA made too.
Do you know why Leupold buys their glass from Germany?
Because there are NO US suppliers of quality glass. Would you rather have a lower quality glass in your scope?
BTW, there are only two sources of that quality glass in the world. Every mid to high end scope maker buys their glass from one of those two companies.
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This is a bit o/t but,
There has been a concerted effort by corporations to disguise the country of origin on trade goods and this has been reflected in deceptive labeling. The corps really do not want you to know. Springfield at least is honest in indicating that their XD is sourced in Croatia. Good for them. Other companies are not forthcoming. Thus, terms like assembled in the U.S. might mean only that a couple of screws were turned by one U.S. worker on a part. A lot of goods are and have been sourced in China, pass through Canada or Mexico under the old NAFTA with minimal if any additional work other than boxing the stuff up and sending it on to the U.S. as assembled in Canada, etc. to qualify as Canadian or Mexican goods without much inspection or the requisite tariffs on items. Food products are not much different.
From a truth in product labeling, this situation is a mess and it has caused some deaths and injuries (look up child's toys made with GHB for example made in China or melamine contaminated pet treats and food which killed some dogs). This is a mess served up by rulings of international trade bodies and the wording of the trade treaties that the U.S. signed. Honesty here is the best policy and what labels of origin of the good should reflect where that good was primarily produced. All goods should also meet U.S. safety standards and not violate patent holders rights which is common for third world goods with their knock-offs.
There has been a concerted effort by corporations to disguise the country of origin on trade goods and this has been reflected in deceptive labeling. The corps really do not want you to know. Springfield at least is honest in indicating that their XD is sourced in Croatia. Good for them. Other companies are not forthcoming. Thus, terms like assembled in the U.S. might mean only that a couple of screws were turned by one U.S. worker on a part. A lot of goods are and have been sourced in China, pass through Canada or Mexico under the old NAFTA with minimal if any additional work other than boxing the stuff up and sending it on to the U.S. as assembled in Canada, etc. to qualify as Canadian or Mexican goods without much inspection or the requisite tariffs on items. Food products are not much different.
From a truth in product labeling, this situation is a mess and it has caused some deaths and injuries (look up child's toys made with GHB for example made in China or melamine contaminated pet treats and food which killed some dogs). This is a mess served up by rulings of international trade bodies and the wording of the trade treaties that the U.S. signed. Honesty here is the best policy and what labels of origin of the good should reflect where that good was primarily produced. All goods should also meet U.S. safety standards and not violate patent holders rights which is common for third world goods with their knock-offs.
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A little background: Elmer Balance of Devine, Texas, began producing a semiautomatic version of the M14, which he called the M1A, around 1971. In order to mark the receivers "Springfield Armory" he incorporated his company as "Springfield Armory, Inc." Later, Balance sold the company, its trademarks, etc., to the Reese family of Illinois. They then expanded the product line beyond the M1A.
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This is the bottom line. The XD line is probably going to remain stable with the supplier being HS Produkt. Other products and parts will be sourced from wherever Springfield gets the best deal on items that meet their specs.
At the time this was made,
the forgings came out of Brazil but the final machining was in the US.
The pistol has been highly modified since 1991.
If you don't like foreign products and foreign manufacturer's, toss your personal electronic device in the trash can along with your home computer. Last I heard, no American made chips in the things, all of them fully assembled in China. And yet, the Chinese are outsourcing with a vengeance to no tariff countries with even lower labor rates!
US-China trade war manufacturing exodus creating boom times for Chinese logistics companies
the forgings came out of Brazil but the final machining was in the US.
The pistol has been highly modified since 1991.
If you don't like foreign products and foreign manufacturer's, toss your personal electronic device in the trash can along with your home computer. Last I heard, no American made chips in the things, all of them fully assembled in China. And yet, the Chinese are outsourcing with a vengeance to no tariff countries with even lower labor rates!
US-China trade war manufacturing exodus creating boom times for Chinese logistics companies
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I had a Black Stainless Loaded...Made in Brazil
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Actually, there are a few chip manufacturers left in the US and in Puerto Rico, while not a State, it does count as "USA". Their chips just don't go in consumer electronics. They are usually found in aerospace & military electronics.
And, while most chips are printed somewhere else, almost all chips in use today are designed in the US.
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Depends on your definition of made.
Side note:
When they were marked HS2000 gun shops couldn't give the things away and when they did sell it was for just under $200. Stick the SA markings on the things, quadruple the price and they fly off the store shelves.
Want another mystery? Try to get an answer out of Remington on the point of origin of the R1.
Side note:
When they were marked HS2000 gun shops couldn't give the things away and when they did sell it was for just under $200. Stick the SA markings on the things, quadruple the price and they fly off the store shelves.
Want another mystery? Try to get an answer out of Remington on the point of origin of the R1.
My son-in-law is a design engineer for a chip fab located in the US. Intel has several huge fabs in Oregon.
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Samsung and Motorola, or what ever their semiconductor division is called now, both have wafer fab plants in Austin.
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Springfield does manufacturer some of their firearms here in the U.S. some of the 1911 frames are or were made in Brazil, and the XD line is imported from Croatia. Some of their 1911s are manufactured in tdhe U.S. With that said, saying that they aren't manufacturers is flat out false. People say the same about PSA, and that's false as well.
I was a part of a huge thread about this a while back, but I do not recall what forum it was on. Don't quote me on this, but I think I recall seeing that they no longer get their some 1911 frames from Brazil. I also recall that there was some type of differentiating marketings between the U.S. and Brazilian 1911 frames.
It's possible things have changed, but the last time I looked into things, they were importers/rebranders, not manufacturers. It is certainly true that they do assembly and "custom" work in the U.S.
For example, the Springfield Saint is made in America. According to Springfield it (along with their other firearms) is: "engineered, manufactured and assembled...in Geneseo, Illinois." According to this article in American Rifleman: "The <Saint> receivers are made by a very well-regarded aerospace engineering and machining firm, and are built to Springfield’s specifications."
It would be interesting to see some factory tour photos showing Springfield Armory casting or forging pistol frames and receivers, machining slides from forgings or stock, and making barrels. I can't find anything like that.
It does look like they have expanded their assembly type operations considerably.
I will admit that I haven't done any super diligent research into the topic nor have I tried to keep current on how they are sourcing frames and parts. Mostly because it doesn't mean anything to me. I buy guns for what they are, how they work, and how well the "manufacturer" stands behind them, not because of where the actual components are made.
Taking that as true for the sake of argument, that's still not evidence, in and of itself, that Springfield Armory manufactured the frames or slides or barrels.
For example, the Springfield Saint is made in America. According to Springfield it (along with their other firearms) is: "engineered, manufactured and assembled...in Geneseo, Illinois." According to this article in American Rifleman: "The <Saint> receivers are made by a very well-regarded aerospace engineering and machining firm, and are built to Springfield’s specifications."
It would be interesting to see some factory tour photos showing Springfield Armory casting or forging pistol frames and receivers, machining slides from forgings or stock, and making barrels. I can't find anything like that.
It does look like they have expanded their assembly type operations considerably.
I will admit that I haven't done any super diligent research into the topic nor have I tried to keep current on how they are sourcing frames and parts. Mostly because it doesn't mean anything to me. I buy guns for what they are, how they work, and how well the "manufacturer" stands behind them, not because of where the actual components are made.
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