The opioid crisis isn't really a THR topic, so I don't want this thread to diverge down that road. That said, there are a number of states currently involved in litigation with opioid manufacturers (and maybe distributers) to try to stem that tide.
Now Beto wants to take ALL THE SEMI-AUTO FIREARMS away (Not just AR15s and AK47s)
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Sorry Spats. Wasn’t trying to take us off track.
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Just another spoiled rich kid that equates money with intelligence. What a punk!
Source on O'Rourke being a felon? Far as I've found, he's never so much as faced a felony charge, let alone been convicted.
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I have read gun control propaganda since Carl Bakal's "This Very Day A Gun May Kill You!" 1959. In the 1960s I went to the Public Library, took the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature, subject Firearms Legislation, and looked up all the articles in the bound magazines on the library shelves (articles in mostly New York-based liberal-oriented publications). Robert Francis "Beto" O'Rourke is just carrying on a liberal Democrat tradition, sometimes openly expressed, other times covered up. They accuse us of "gun nuttery" but they are the ones who go nuts over guns.
If a prohibitionist talks registration and licensing, they mean prohibitory "sin taxes" to register, and licenses printed in unobtainium ink on forgetaboutit paper. And mandatory confiscation if the government is a day late processing your renewal (if they don't SWAT you house withot warning).
Rewatch Waco: Rules of Engagement for what Charlie Schumer is willing to defend in the name of gun control.
If a prohibitionist talks registration and licensing, they mean prohibitory "sin taxes" to register, and licenses printed in unobtainium ink on forgetaboutit paper. And mandatory confiscation if the government is a day late processing your renewal (if they don't SWAT you house withot warning).
Rewatch Waco: Rules of Engagement for what Charlie Schumer is willing to defend in the name of gun control.
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he had a felony DUI charge which prohibits him from owning a firearm, its all over Youtube
My understanding is that he got a pre-trial diversion on the DUI (which likely means no conviction) and that the burglary charges were dropped (which means no conviction).
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Unless he was convicted, it's not disqualifying... yet.
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Labguy47 said: "He’s just mad because as a felon he’s prohibited from owning them!"
psyopspec asked: "Source on O'Rourke being a felon?"
You can be denied a gun purchase by being a felon arrestee. At the local gun shop in my area, people with an arrest record (cleared as mistaken identity) and on a suspect list (cleared by investigator) showed up as prohibited persons in the ATF/NICS background check because those records were retained in the system but not the disposition of their cases. If you believe that the only thing that shows up on a federal NICS or state BG check on a gun purchase is a felony conviction, you're mistaken. Beto has arrests on crimes punishable by over 12 months in jail, which can show up on NICS checks as denial factors regardless of final disposition of the case. Conviction is not necessary to be a prohibited person. We were promised by politicians in the 1960s they were only doing to deny gun rights to convicted violent felons.
As for Beto O'Rourke's semi-official history, Wikipedia has this on Beto O'Rourke (Redirected from Robert Francis "Beto" O'Rourke).
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On May 19, 1995, O'Rourke and his friends jumped over a fence at the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP) physical plant, and were arrested by the UTEP police for burglary. He was held in jail overnight and posted bail the following day. He was initially charged with burglary, but prosecutors dropped the case against O'Rourke and his friends in February 1996 when UTEP declined to pursue the charges.{43}
O'Rourke was arrested for driving while intoxicated on September 27, 1998, at 3:00 a.m. on Interstate 10 in Anthony, Texas. The charges were dismissed in October 1999 after he completed a court-recommended DWI program.{40}{44} In response to criticism from a political opponent in 2005, O'Rourke said, "I've been open about it since the very beginning. I have owned up to it and I have taken responsibility for it."{43} He apologized and said he was "grateful for the second chance".{45}{46}
_40. Roberts, Chris (May 23, 2012). "New Silvestre Reyes ad attacks Beto O'Rourke's character". El Paso Times.
https://archive.is/20140919020110/h...87030/new-reyes-ad-attacks-orourkes-character
_43. Fonce-Olivas, Tammy (April 20, 2005). "Tax Relief, Revitalization Motivate South-West District Candidates". El Paso Times.
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/432406082
_44. Diaz, Kevin. "Police reports detail Beto O'Rourke's 1998 DWI arrest". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on August 31, 2018.
https://web.archive.org/web/2018083...orts-detail-Beto-O-Rourke-s-1998-13195088.php
_45. "Texas Republicans are trying to use Beto's punk rock days against him".
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17791584/beto-orourke-cruz-gop-punk-band-arrests-mugshot
_46. O'Rourke, Beto (August 1, 2017). Beto O'Rourke was live (Facebook).
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If what Nickolaus Cruz did at Parkland ought be used to punish me, what Beto did at UTEP and I10 ought to held against him.
psyopspec asked: "Source on O'Rourke being a felon?"
You can be denied a gun purchase by being a felon arrestee. At the local gun shop in my area, people with an arrest record (cleared as mistaken identity) and on a suspect list (cleared by investigator) showed up as prohibited persons in the ATF/NICS background check because those records were retained in the system but not the disposition of their cases. If you believe that the only thing that shows up on a federal NICS or state BG check on a gun purchase is a felony conviction, you're mistaken. Beto has arrests on crimes punishable by over 12 months in jail, which can show up on NICS checks as denial factors regardless of final disposition of the case. Conviction is not necessary to be a prohibited person. We were promised by politicians in the 1960s they were only doing to deny gun rights to convicted violent felons.
As for Beto O'Rourke's semi-official history, Wikipedia has this on Beto O'Rourke (Redirected from Robert Francis "Beto" O'Rourke).
Legal issues
On May 19, 1995, O'Rourke and his friends jumped over a fence at the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP) physical plant, and were arrested by the UTEP police for burglary. He was held in jail overnight and posted bail the following day. He was initially charged with burglary, but prosecutors dropped the case against O'Rourke and his friends in February 1996 when UTEP declined to pursue the charges.{43}
O'Rourke was arrested for driving while intoxicated on September 27, 1998, at 3:00 a.m. on Interstate 10 in Anthony, Texas. The charges were dismissed in October 1999 after he completed a court-recommended DWI program.{40}{44} In response to criticism from a political opponent in 2005, O'Rourke said, "I've been open about it since the very beginning. I have owned up to it and I have taken responsibility for it."{43} He apologized and said he was "grateful for the second chance".{45}{46}
_40. Roberts, Chris (May 23, 2012). "New Silvestre Reyes ad attacks Beto O'Rourke's character". El Paso Times.
https://archive.is/20140919020110/h...87030/new-reyes-ad-attacks-orourkes-character
_43. Fonce-Olivas, Tammy (April 20, 2005). "Tax Relief, Revitalization Motivate South-West District Candidates". El Paso Times.
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/432406082
_44. Diaz, Kevin. "Police reports detail Beto O'Rourke's 1998 DWI arrest". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on August 31, 2018.
https://web.archive.org/web/2018083...orts-detail-Beto-O-Rourke-s-1998-13195088.php
_45. "Texas Republicans are trying to use Beto's punk rock days against him".
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17791584/beto-orourke-cruz-gop-punk-band-arrests-mugshot
_46. O'Rourke, Beto (August 1, 2017). Beto O'Rourke was live (Facebook).
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If what Nickolaus Cruz did at Parkland ought be used to punish me, what Beto did at UTEP and I10 ought to held against him.
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Something being "all over Youtube" and something being true are not the same thing. That said, if you've got a source that shows he's a felon I'm interested in seeing it.
@Carl N. Brown which of those links shows that O'Rourke is a felon?
I can be denied for having the same name as a prohibited person as well, but that is not the same thing as actually being a prohibited person. Thankfully, the presumption of innocence is still around... for now.
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Then I plead guilty to being naive.
If guns are in fact a left-right issue, then we end up on the losing side, because the Right is the victim of waning demographics. We need to make guns not a left-right issue.
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When I was the staff Scriptomaniac of the Mensa newsletter Nexus in the 1980s, the staff Curmudgeon Jon K. Evans labeled me a bleeding heart liberal. But I could not be accepted by liberals as a liberal because I did not believe in gun control. Since the 1960s, blind faith in Gun Control has been used as a Litmus Test For Liberalism, used by liberals to separate trule liberals from faux liberals. The Left needs to make guns not a left-right litmus test.
(Actual Left and Right are waning demographics.)
(Actual Left and Right are waning demographics.)
AlexanderA
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Whether Beto is personally disqualified from owning a gun is kinda besides the point.
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That ship has sailed, and the Democrats set course, full speed ahead for the iceberg decades ago.
The Democrats, ALL OF THEM, want to do things that you can't do to people who can fight back with armed force.
You can't combine Stalin's Holodomor, Hitler's "Hunger Plan", Mao's "Great Leap Forward" and Pol Pot's "Year Zero" into one and impose it on people with the means to resist.
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You'd be amazed at the things White advocates of racially invidious gun controls have called me because I refused their ORDERS to endorse Jim Crow gun bans.
They're about as "liberal" as Kristallnacht.
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He's a sociopath declaring that normal people shouldn't have guns... while hiding behind people with guns.
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Chicken-or-egg problem. Somewhere along the line, a vicious circle started, when antigunners convinced a certain portion of Democratic politicians to fall into line with them. Then the pro-gun side began to line up with the Republicans, and soon we had litmus tests on both sides.
I'm old enough to remember when John Dingell, the long-time liberal Democratic congressman from Michigan, was on the NRA Board of Directors, and when JFK was an NRA Life Member. And in those days, the NRA supported pro-gun politicians from both parties.
I think we'd have better results if the NRA stopped being an overt arm of the Republican party. At least endorse one or two token pro-gun Democrats. And stop publishing screeds in the American Rifleman bashing "socialism." Socialism, as an economic system, has nothing to do with gun rights. (And anyway, most Democrats are not socialists.)
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We should focus on his proposals, not on whether he personally can own a gun or not.
I'm a little leery of making a mental-health diagnosis of someone when (a) I'm not a trained psychologist, and (b) I haven't met the subject in person.
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I'm old enough to remember when the Democrat Party would have actually been able to condemn one of its members for rabid anti-Semitism.
Of course I'm also old enough to remember when the Democrat Party was the welcoming home of the Ku Klux Klan...
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We should also focus on his character (or lack thereof) and the motivations behind his totalitarian proposals.
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The problem is that racially invidious gun controls arise from a totalitarian impulse. If you look at the party platform, it's farfetched to believe that they're going to ditch THAT totalitarian project and hang onto the rest. Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment just greases the skids for getting rid of the rest.
They're all in.
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I am glad that Beto said what he did. One of the great things our current president has accomplished which doesn’t get much mention is this: He has caused many on the radical left to come out and say what they have long believed concerning the demolition of our freedoms guaranteed in the constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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