Size comparison Hellcat vs P365

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I was also thinking Ruger may have answered Sig with their own entry into this class of pistols. Make me wonder if they think the security compact will compete with the P365 but in my opinion it is to thick. I would like something close to my EC9S and i mean very close no more the one inch thick and no longer then it. I carry owb with shorts and t-shirt almost all the time and I need a thin weapon.
Yeah he doesn’t have any bias at all, especially when he starts the video with the colorful words for Springfield. Not only does that negate virtually any opinion he has about the merits of the hellcat, but him being a general ****** bag in essentially all of his videos attributes to this guy being nothing more than a loud mouth clown. Might as well get him and James Yeager together and let them both tell us how stupid we are for not thinking exactly like they do. Same class of fellows.
This is the same guy that says the 45acp sucks and Glocks sucks... If the Glock and 1911 guys can conceed to the latter, then maybe I can take his opinion about Springfield firearms seriously. The guy simply says controversial and trolling things in order to get views...
 
Yeah he doesn’t have any bias at all, especially when he starts the video with the colorful words for Springfield. Not only does that negate virtually any opinion he has about the merits of the hellcat, but him being a general ****** bag in essentially all of his videos attributes to this guy being nothing more than a loud mouth clown. Might as well get him and James Yeager together and let them both tell us how stupid we are for not thinking exactly like they do. Same class of fellows.
I can’t stand that idiot either.
 
More options are great, some will prefer the SA, while others the Sig. The Sig always looked like it would be comfortable/fit my hand great, and it did. The SA doesn't look that way to me. I might be surprised of course.
 
The Grip on the 365 just did not work at all for me. Just too easy to ride the slide for my hand. Tried the second time with the SAS and no go. I am looking forward to shooting the Hellcat, because it appears that this gun will fit much better and no riding the slide. The narrow grip of the distance from the receiver to the grip is a common issue on the 365 for many shooters. Maybe Springfield addresses this issue for satisfaction. I also have a haunch that there will be less muzzle flip and recoil from the Springfield. The proof of course will be in the testing of the Pistol.

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I'm not into the P365 or Hellcat point counterpoint discussion nor will acquire one or the other in the foreseeable future. I'm done with the next greatest thing thus got to have it mind set. I'll let others be the Beta Testers. I'm content with the S&W Shield 9X19mm which is either going to be good enough or isn't going to be good enough but that's the way its going to be. I did not acquire Glocks until Gen3 and S&W MP series until just before the introduction of the Gen2 series.
 
I'm not into the P365 or Hellcat point counterpoint discussion nor will acquire one or the other in the foreseeable future. I'm done with the next greatest thing thus got to have it mind set. I'll let others be the Beta Testers. I'm content with the S&W Shield 9X19mm which is either going to be good enough or isn't going to be good enough but that's the way its going to be. I did not acquire Glocks until Gen3 and S&W MP series until just before the introduction of the Gen2 series.

It’s almost as if you take it personal, did I miss someone attempting to force these on people?

I’m not going to try lambs tongue tonight at dinner, but I don’t feel the need to tell my wife that while she’s cooking chicken.

I’m not sure why people who have no interest in a firearm feel the need to say it while contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation. Is it simply validation being sought after, hoping someone else will climb aboard their resistance to change train with them? Heaven forbid we just talk about the gun in the thread title.
 
It’s funny, the grip texture reminds me of my HK45 and the P30. I love it. And yet HK changed it to the far more slippery texture on the VP9.

And here we have two companies offering it again.

HK, are you paying attention?
 
I'm not into the P365 or Hellcat point counterpoint discussion nor will acquire one or the other in the foreseeable future. I'm done with the next greatest thing thus got to have it mind set. I'll let others be the Beta Testers. I'm content with the S&W Shield 9X19mm which is either going to be good enough or isn't going to be good enough but that's the way its going to be. I did not acquire Glocks until Gen3 and S&W MP series until just before the introduction of the Gen2 series.

I can understand how you feel. You have a nice gun that suites you perfectly and no need to look further. I feel the same way. But on the flip side, I enjoy discussing new guns, shooting them and testing them. Sometimes the hype is true, sometimes not. No way to tell until you actually shoot one. Then decide the Pro's and Con's. And for sure
actually testing one yourself, eliminates a lot of the opinions out there from folks that have not shot one. And who can judge a gun's feel, quality, shoot-ability etc. better than yourself for your own personal needs, desires and beliefs? You can be your own Judge.
Thanks for Posting.
 
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It’s almost as if you take it personal, did I miss someone attempting to force these on people?

I’m not going to try lambs tongue tonight at dinner, but I don’t feel the need to tell my wife that while she’s cooking chicken.

I’m not sure why people who have no interest in a firearm feel the need to say it while contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation. Is it simply validation being sought after, hoping someone else will climb aboard their resistance to change train with them? Heaven forbid we just talk about the gun in the thread title.

Its my stated opinion, your agreement is not required nor was it solicited. Not every one is going to be in agreement that's why its a forum thus discussion of differing view points!
 
I'm a fan of Sig's, owning 10 of their handguns and have a problem with the ethics of SA based on what they did here, but I'm giving serious thought to selling my P365's and giving the Hellcat a try. I was at my gun club today and experienced light primer strikes again with one of my P365XL's. I recently sent it to them for that problem and they claimed replacing the recoil spring corrected it. I was also shooting a Glock 48, M&P 2.0 Compact and P320RX, using the same ammo. The other guns functioned perfectly. I'm aware that there are many people who have never experienced a problem with theirs, but 3 of my 4 have had to go in for repair including one that failed after 2000 rounds. I love the guns as I shoot them well and the capacity to size ratio is exactly what I'd been looking for, but I'm really having a hard time trusting them as it seems like everytime I think the issues have been corrected, another one occurs. If I owned neither and was looking to purchase one, knowing what I know I'd go with the Hellcat without question. The XL I was shooting today will go back to Sig Monday, as I won't sell a problem gun to someone and will make decisions after I talk to them.
 
Eh, handled the Hellcat at the gun show this morning. Totally not impressed. As noted, a higher bore axis than the 365. The grip, meh. Didn't care for the texture, and it's shorter and less ergonomic than the 365's. Of course, I haven't shot this pistol, and I am a fan of the 365, so take it for what it's worth.

Interestingly, the dealer was asking north of $700 for the Hellcat (spiffy box, but, hey) ...
 
I am finding comparing these two guns to be more interesting each day. (I have no dog in this fight). Now we have what appears to be two guns with high round count going head to head in the Micro 9mm gun market. Which one actually has the best design of engineering in the gun itself? Not the magazine capacity. Yes, there are other Micro 9's (sub-compacts) that may be better, worse, or the same in the same class, but these two are unique because of the magazine capacity?
Some say, these two guns will define the future in coming years because of round count, but will they really?
When the Sig 365 first came out. I predicted a huge success in sales. I also predicted it would take a sever beating from folks that have other guns they admire. Jealousies, Bias, and just plain old bashing would take place. And of course that happened. Sig seems to have come out of the storm from initial first run issues. But has it? Every issue or perceived issue was used against the gun by adversaries or fans of other guns. And unfortunately, even if Sig were never to have another issue, some will still use these issues as ammo against the gun.

Sig came out with a new design and took the magazine writers, the Youtube reviewers and gun enthusiast to a record level. Boasting record sales, sold out guns, and featured in virtually ever gun mag out there. Sig was King of the Road. Now out of the Blue along comes a newcomer, a unknown, rising from the East like a Hot Rising Sun, and called "Hellcat". One that wants to get into the ring with the reining Champ and has made it clear that it wants to go head to head.
Sit back and enjoy the fight, even if you are not interested in either gun, this is going to be interesting.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN, FIGHTERS TO YOUR CORNERS.

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I'm not much at all for the hype and hysteria, thus got to have it as the masses trip, stumble, and fall to attain the next greatest thing. My handgun experience started with the 1911A1 at MCRD Parris Island SC in 1964 familiarization firing two magazines of (7Rds) each. Fast forward to Viet-Nam, those that because of their MOS that were issued the 1911A1 learned what generations before them had learned the 1911A1 is a supplement to the rifle which is primary.

I've gone thru the never ending debates of revolvers verse semiautomatic, stopping power, advent of the Wonder-Nines, Glocks, 40S&W,rebirth of the 9X19mm and or what ever else pops up.

Now that the marketplace is saturated lets come up with small high capacity semiautomatic pistols. And so it goes!
 
The IFMA consisted of four people, a couple from SA, one from RRA and their lobbyist. They sided with anti 2A politicians in an attempted to eliminate competitors. Of course when it came to the surface both denounced the IFMA's actions as if it were some big separate entity that they had no control over and limited knowledge of. I guess it worked to some extent.

Were you there in the Illinois Statehouse or the committee hearings? I was there, and have years of experience lobbying in the statehouse and understand exactly what happened. The mistake they made was hiring the wrong guy and trusting him with too much power. They have admitted that and they fought the bill from that point on.
 
I had another light primer strike with my P365XL, and while I know they've functioned well for many people I've lost confidence in mine. It's not something I'm happy about as I love the guns, shoot them well and they're exactly what I wanted in a carry gun, but I don't trust them given how many problems I've had. My LGS can get the Hellcat, and I stopped in there this evening to trade for one. They had Glocks on sale and I starting thinking how being a beta tester for the P365's didn't work out so well for me, so I decided to go with a Gen 5 26. I felt more comfortable going with a proven design. I still need to work out the trade details with the owner as he was out, but I'll go back Friday to pick up my 26. If he gives me enough for the guns I'm trading I may still pick up the Hellcat also, but for now the 26 will be my primary carry gun.
 
For some reason I find similarity to the Great LCP/Keltec war about a decade ago. So many comparisons, ads by Ruger, gun mag review and Youtubes. And of course the Sig 238 came out and that sure made a lot of news as well. I even remember when there was a group formed of folks that loved the 238 so much that they had a weekly shooting match.
 
Eh, handled the Hellcat at the gun show this morning. Totally not impressed. As noted, a higher bore axis than the 365. The grip, meh. Didn't care for the texture, and it's shorter and less ergonomic than the 365's. Of course, I haven't shot this pistol, and I am a fan of the 365, so take it for what it's worth.

Interestingly, the dealer was asking north of $700 for the Hellcat (spiffy box, but, hey) ...

I think you have found the ideal gun for yourself. Congrats. But you have to consider that some folks actually like a higher bore axis. Another reason to compare the two before shooting. Also there is a difference from the reviews in triggers.
 
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