410 ga black powder mz load?

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I have that 410 monkey gun, and like to take it out soon. Need a idea of the loading for 410s. I'm thinking 1/2 oz of shot and same volume of powder, I don't no. The gun was made in the early 1920s so it's steel with a fo Damascus look on the barrel. Any helps apresiatede. Thanks troy.

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I would look at a blackpowder .410 charge (or shell) like it was a pistol cartridge, like the old .38-40 or .44-40. I would load 40 grains of 2-F blackpowder, a simple wad, fiber or trimmed plastic shot cup, and enough shot to weigh the equivalent of a lead bullet for that cartridge, about 200 grains. (Probably about 1/2 ounce of shot, like a commercial shell). Topped off with an over-shot card to retain the shot in the barrel, of course. Shoot at paper and check the pattern. Remember the old rule of thumb, “more shot, less powder” to improve the pattern.

I have not shot a .410 muzzleloader, but I have made some blackpowder .410 shells, and this approach produced usable shells.
 
J-Bar said:
I would look at a blackpowder .410 charge (or shell) like it was a pistol cartridge, like the old .38-40 or .44-40. I would load 40 grains of 2-F blackpowder, a simple wad, fiber or trimmed plastic shot cup, and enough shot to weigh the equivalent of a lead bullet for that cartridge, about 200 grains. (Probably about 1/2 ounce of shot, like a commercial shell). Topped off with an over-shot card to retain the shot in the barrel, of course. Shoot at paper and check the pattern. Remember the old rule of thumb, “more shot, less powder” to improve the pattern.

I have not shot a .410 muzzleloader, but I have made some blackpowder .410 shells, and this approach produced usable shells.
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Thanks my powder horn has a 30 grain tip, I use pyrodex so I'll try that. I cut down a fired 06 round for 30 gr I'll make a 35 and 40 to. I hope to get out soon I need to shoot my 15ga Hopkins & Allen underhammer as well.
 
I need to find one of those!
I 100% agree with the one grain per caliber and the same amount of shot for normal starting point.
More powder equals a larger pattern. If you want more killing power, go up in shot size.
I learned this with an old 12 ga Dixie gun works.
 
Bfh_auto said:
I need to find one of those!
I 100% agree with the one grain per caliber and the same amount of shot for normal starting point.
More powder equals a larger pattern. If you want more killing power, go up in shot size.
I learned this with an old 12 ga Dixie gun works.
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Never know could work a deal lol. I've had good luck with same volume powder to shot. Wish I had some round balls, have to look and see if I have any big buck shot.
 
According to YouTube videos they set up a “ square load”. By volume a given weight of shot, say1 oz is measured by volume. The same volume is used for the powder. The resulting weight of powder was around 60 grains. Of course this was for shot shells, would that apply to a straight muzzle loader.
 
whughett said:
According to YouTube videos they set up a “ square load”. By volume a given weight of shot, say1 oz is measured by volume. The same volume is used for the powder. The resulting weight of powder was around 60 grains. Of course this was for shot shells, would that apply to a straight muzzle loader.
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Open cylinder, yes. That's your starting point. And as Bfh_auto says adjust accordingly. When I got my double barrel, it was sort of a pain since it has modified and full chokes. I'm always tempted to have a gunsmith take the last few inches of barrel off. Eventually worked around it powder/shot wise. Have to be careful with shotcards though.
 
Well not to hijack a thread, apologies to the OP, but I’m in the process of rehabbing a 1894Remington dB shotgun. One Damascus barrel and one fluid steel. My plan is to reload 12gage shot shells with black powder, hence the YouTube education, with target or at most bird hunting loads. I’m thinking the first few will be just powder and the plastic wad stuffed with cotton. Both set of tubes are modified and improved modified according to a brass choke gage I have.
 
whughett said:
Well not to hijack a thread, apologies to the OP, but I’m in the process of rehabbing a 1894Remington dB shotgun. One Damascus barrel and one fluid steel. My plan is to reload 12gage shot shells with black powder, hence the YouTube education, with target or at most bird hunting loads. I’m thinking the first few will be just powder and the plastic wad stuffed with cotton. Both set of tubes are modified and improved modified according to a brass choke gage I have.
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No fine to hijack lol. I'd like to see that gun. Something nice about loading black powder. I used hard and fiber wars but make the over shot cards with a old choke I sharpened.
 
Go to the Shotgun section of THR. It’s the 1894 Remington thread. Several photos and some background. Just finished installing the recoil pad mentioned. Had not intended to bit wound up refinishing some of the butt stock.
 
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