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SA apologized, changed their position, and reversed course during that fight. Now that we are years after the fact, what do we gain by trying to put them out of business vs what do the anties in your state gain?

All manufacturers willing to work with gun control efforts need to be put out of business for good. What will be gained is no company who wants to survive will ever support anti-gun legislation again. "Look at what they did to Springfield Arms". Fear is the most powerful control tool and they need to fear financial repercussions for their nonsense. I forgive people, not corporations. Apologizing for a mistake doesn't mean you now no longer have to pay for that mistake.
 
All manufacturers willing to work with gun control efforts need to be put out of business for good. What will be gained is no company who wants to survive will ever support anti-gun legislation again. "Look at what they did to Springfield Arms". Fear is the most powerful control tool and they need to fear financial repercussions for their nonsense. I forgive people, not corporations. Apologizing for a mistake doesn't mean you now no longer have to pay for that mistake.
I see you ignored the bulk of my post, cherrypicked one statement, and reiterated what you said previously..

I'd be interested if you and the others could take the time thto answer the questions ... Since you brought it up, corporations are made up of everyday working people. How long should they suffer in your opinion? I assure you that the 2 or 3 higher ups who you want to hurt will be just fine. So if this an indefinitely thing or is their a sunset on all of this?

I also hope you all didn't vote for and support our president, because he long since held antigun views and has done and said way worse while being in office. Hope you all do not support the NRA as well because they've done much, much, much worse along with our president... If you support either of them, that would be very hypocritical...
 
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I'd be interested if you and the others could take the time thto answer the questions ... Since you brought it up, corporations are made up of everyday working people. How long should they suffer in your opinion? I assure you that the 2 or 3 higher ups who you want to hurt will be just fine. So if this an indefinitely thing or is their a sunset on all of this?

Having been in the working world one time I learned that management makes bad decisions, often routinely. The door is always there if the poor armorers at Springfield are hurting too bad. Other jobs exist. In the USA you aren't forced into working for the turncoats like those running Springfield.


I also hope you all didn't vote for and support our president, because he long since held antigun views and has done and said way worse while being in office. Hope you all do not support the NRA as well because they've done much, much, much worse along with our president... If you support either of them, that would be very hypocritical...

IMO dollars are by far the most effective vote, so that's what I concern myself with. Not Trump. Not the NRA. I don't spend money with anti-gun businesses or businesses which openly represent things I disdain. It's called having principles. Will I bring them all down? No. They just don't get my money. If that's small peanuts, so be it. Other's judgments against me do not affect my decision making process in that regard. For that, I apologize.
 
I was once told to be careful not to shoot your wounded, but to help them get back to good health.
I’ve frequently found the metaphor applicable in many life situations.



Theirs only ever been one perfect person.
Certainly a wise policy and would apply to a great many FFL’s in Illinois.
Springfield Armory is not a victim here.
 
The old S&W leadership is dead, replaced by new owners that did not get in bed with the government.
Yeah, right, and they're still producing (and defacing) their revolvers with the stupid lock (which I've never, ever heard from anyone who actually uses the silly thing).

Most businesses don't have the rabid levels of interest surrounding their products the way firearms do
Probably why there exist no internet forums for specific activities or consumer goods (or brand names of things) such as cars, trucks, SUVs/four-wheelers, snowmobiles, tools, computers, kitchen/cooking appliances/utensils, skis, watches, knives, sneakers, sporting goods, etc... Oh, sorry -- never mind.

Now in my seventh decade of breathing air on this planet, I've started to believe that perspective is usually a good thing. Seems most people populating the interwebs view their favorite aspects of their own existence through very narrow filters, hardly surprising, I know, but few hereabouts strike me as big-picture sort of folks. And it's definitely clear that many here have absolutely zero idea of what actually goes on in corporate boardrooms. If you believe that every other gun-maker out there hasn't made political concessions at one time or another, by all means, send me some of what you've been smoking. Ronnie Barrett's stand against letting his products go to California or Mag-Pul moving to a state with a better tax situation hardly apply here either, by the way.

Frankly, I think one way we do better, with respect to RKBA issues and politics, is by having AND KEEPING firearm manufacturers (and hunting/shooting accessory manufacturers) in states that aren't the most 2A-friendly. We absolutely need workers in the industry in states such as Illinois and New York, as well as voters from the communities supported by the industry.

Anyone here from Geneseo? Ilion? Hartford? Feel free to chime in. One suspects people who live in those communities are acutely aware of the impact of having big companies in their community.

Enough other companies to deal with.
Not for long, if many of you have your way.

I do not forgive betrayal, don't care how minor or childish some see that as. Apology not accepted SA, shove your grip zone in your striker channel.
Guess you'd be another who doesn't seem to believe Mr. Reese's statements.
 
means nothing to me, I read up on this long ago, and never fell into the whole hate springfield thing. But I know several people who hate them, and don't know why, other than they were told to. This video is short and simple enough for the low attention spanpeople who don't want to read the whole story, Thanks! I am surprised to see springfield has changed the Milspec name, and lowered the price considerably in this area. $500 new, vs $750 Retail a few years ago.
 
Guess you'd be another who doesn't seem to believe Mr. Reese's statements.
It isn't about if i believe Mr. Reese or not, that's not the point. If the specific legislation supported by someone (who knows who) at SA became/becomes law a whole lot more folks in illinois would lose their living than the workers at the SA plant in geneseo. A lot more.
It would certainly close 3/4 of the gun stores in the state and get me one step closer to living in a california type state.
I never said that anyone who buys a SA is a traitor or wrong. Never said i hope they go out of business. Simply said they will never get a single cent from me.
Yes, i fully understand they will try to keep their image free from anti2A activities from now on and they will be a presence in the economy of the state which one would think could have some influence at the capital and so on. Don't care.
To be fair they wouldn't have gotten any money from me either way, haven't got any products that appeal to me.
 
Yeah, right, and they're still producing (and defacing) their revolvers with the stupid lock (which I've never, ever heard from anyone who actually uses the silly thing).

Probably why there exist no internet forums for specific activities or consumer goods (or brand names of things) such as cars, trucks, SUVs/four-wheelers, snowmobiles, tools, computers, kitchen/cooking appliances/utensils, skis, watches, knives, sneakers, sporting goods, etc... Oh, sorry -- never mind.

Now in my seventh decade of breathing air on this planet, I've started to believe that perspective is usually a good thing. Seems most people populating the interwebs view their favorite aspects of their own existence through very narrow filters, hardly surprising, I know, but few hereabouts strike me as big-picture sort of folks. And it's definitely clear that many here have absolutely zero idea of what actually goes on in corporate boardrooms. If you believe that every other gun-maker out there hasn't made political concessions at one time or another, by all means, send me some of what you've been smoking. Ronnie Barrett's stand against letting his products go to California or Mag-Pul moving to a state with a better tax situation hardly apply here either, by the way.

Frankly, I think one way we do better, with respect to RKBA issues and politics, is by having AND KEEPING firearm manufacturers (and hunting/shooting accessory manufacturers) in states that aren't the most 2A-friendly. We absolutely need workers in the industry in states such as Illinois and New York, as well as voters from the communities supported by the industry.

Anyone here from Geneseo? Ilion? Hartford? Feel free to chime in. One suspects people who live in those communities are acutely aware of the impact of having big companies in their community.

Not for long, if many of you have your way.

Guess you'd be another who doesn't seem to believe Mr. Reese's statements.
Your wisdom will fall on death ears.. If many had their way, the two largest gun manufacturers in the U.S. who both push out over 2 million firearms each year, Ruger and S&W, would have ceased to exist a while ago, and we would not have all their great pistols, revolvers, and rifles in circulation now. The NRA would not exist, and although people might not agree with them 100% of the time, they've done a lot of good and we would not have some of the freedoms we enjoy today if not for them... Now they want to take out Springfield... Next time it'll be another gun company, and then another after that one.

Like you said, some refuse to see the bigger picture, some do not see it, and others see it but do not care. They have no problems cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I guess the good news is that the Springfield haters are a small minority, and consist of many people who disliked or weren't interested in their products to begin with...** Had it been Glock or their favorite gun company who did the same exact thing, I'd put money on it that they'd rationalize and downplay the issue.

To be fair they wouldn't have gotten any money from me either way, haven't got any products that appeal to me.

[Edit]I just read your comment, and you prove my point... Fine Figure of a Man seems to have never meantioned SA in the eight years he's been here except to participate in threads pertaining to this issue in 2017.. Fireside44 has been here the longest at 10 years, and only brought up XD's or Springfield once (passively) back in 2011... Like I suspected, most of the people still beating this dead horse are people who were never really interested in SA to begin with. That sums up the main three biggest critics in this thread, and IMHO, the majority of other vocal SA haters.
 
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Your wisdom will fall on death ears.. If many had their way, the two largest gun manufacturers in the U.S. who both push out over 2 million firearms each year, Ruger and S&W, would have ceased to exist a while ago, and we would not have all their great pistols, revolvers, and rifles in circulation now. The NRA would not exist, and although people might not agree with them 100% of the time, they've done a lot of good and we would not have some of the freedoms we enjoy today if not for them... Now they want to take out Springfield... Next time it'll be another gun company, and then another after that one.

Like you said, some refuse to see the bigger picture, some do not see it, and others see it but do not care. They have no problems cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I guess the good news is that the Springfield haters are a small minority, and consist of many people who disliked or weren't interested in their products to begin with...** Had it been Glock or their favorite gun company who did the same exact thing, I'd put money on it that they'd rationalize and downplay the issue.



[Edit]I just read your comment, and you prove my point... Fine Figure of a Man seems to have never meantioned SA in the eight years he's been here except to participate in threads pertaining to this issue in 2017.. Fireside44 has been here the longest at 10 years, and only brought up XD's or Springfield once (passively) back in 2011... Like I suspected, most of the people still beating this dead horse are people who were never really interested in SA to begin with. That sums up the main three biggest critics in this thread, and IMHO, the majority of other vocal SA haters.
I can tell you some other companies i will not purchase from if you want, then you can have some more things to put your judgement down on me for .
If other people aren't allowed to have an opinion that doesn't mesh perfectly with yours i dont know what to tell you. Kind of thought were all friends here just giving our view point and opinions, no sense in getting so wrapped up in it.
With that i'll leave this thread alone, enjoy.
 
I can tell you some other companies i will not purchase from if you want, then you can have some more things to put your judgement down on me for .
If other people aren't allowed to have an opinion that doesn't mesh perfectly with yours i dont know what to tell you. Kind of thought were all friends here just giving our view point and opinions, no sense in getting so wrapped up in it.
With that i'll leave this thread alone, enjoy.
We are friends, none of my post were personal or an attack on anyone, so I apologise if I offended you or if I said something offensive. That wasn't my intention. I personally do not have an issue with you having an opinion other than mine. I thought we were here debating the merits of our different opinions on the subject.
 
[QUOTE="Obturation It would certainly close 3/4 of the gun stores in the state and get me one step closer to living in a california type state.[/QUOTE]
You DO live in a socialist cesspool state, just like kali except for lousier weather and all because of thug city by the lake ruling over the rest of you minions.

Bill
 
Fireside44 has been here the longest at 10 years, and only brought up XD's or Springfield once (passively) back in 2011... Like I suspected, most of the people still beating this dead horse are people who were never really interested in SA to begin with. That sums up the main three biggest critics in this thread, and IMHO, the majority of other vocal SA haters.

So, because I don't own a Springfield, I am not allowed to voice an opinion. At the rate they are going, I will never own a Springfield. How many do I need to own before my opinion matters.

The real issue is am I willing to do business with companies who have recently, i.e last 10 years, participated in anti gun legislation? No.
 
I am happy to say that I just purchased yet ANOTHER Springfield....and looking forward to an additional purchase soon. You all have the right to your opinion, and where you spend your money, or not. For me....I think this anti Springfield rhetoric is baloney.....and some of you think I’m wrong. I’m ok on all counts.

I hope they do well and continue to be around for a long time....YMMV....
 
I applaud gun-industry companies who decide that an anti-gun government is not one they will continue to support.

Thank you Weatherby for leaving CA and moving to Wyoming. Once the Democratic morons vote in a split tax roll and cause business property tax to probably triple, I wish every CA based consumer goods manufacturer did this.

Then maybe...just maybe... the self-righteous, pompous zealots who are killing the golden goose called California won’t get voted into office anymore and sensibility will return to Sacramento.

It’s probably just a wishful pipe dream, but it’s one worth dreaming, IMHO.

Stay safe.
 
Is there anything they sell that can't be replaced by another manufacturer?

Show me another compact, sub $500, less than 2 lbs, DA/SA, external hammer 9mm with an external, frame-mounted safety/de-cocker that is in current production and readily available for purchase. GO!
 
...I’ve become a huge fan of the S&W M&P 2.0s. Besides everything else, I love they’re made in the USA by an American company. It’s something I can’t say about Springfield.

So he can apologize all he wants. If he’s not making his products here, and there is an alternative that is that I like I won’t be buying his product.

To me, the issue of country of origin is FARRRR more important than all of this political boycotting. If S&W or Ruger (or anyone else for that matter) made the gun (or any other product for that matter) I wanted, with the features I wanted, and made it in America, I'd pay more for it than what I would pay a comparable, foreign made gun.
 
So, because I don't own a Springfield, I am not allowed to voice an opinion. At the rate they are going, I will never own a Springfield. How many do I need to own before my opinion matters.

The real issue is am I willing to do business with companies who have recently, i.e last 10 years, participated in anti gun legislation? No.
Please quote the part where I stated you could not voice your opinion because you do not own a Springfield The point I was making, which someone else brought up first, is that most of the Springfield's biggest critics who are claiming they'll never buy one and will were never forgive the company were never really interested in what they had to offer in first place. That was a true statement that for you and many others, so what's the issue? I don't believe I said anything untrue, and you basically said as much yourself.
 
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Show me another compact, sub $500, less than 2 lbs, DA/SA, external hammer 9mm with an external, frame-mounted safety/de-cocker that is in current production and readily available for purchase. GO!
CZ Rami unless that isn't compact enough.
 
CZ Rami unless that isn't compact enough.
The Rami is either or if I'm not mistaken. The XDe has has both a safety and decocker. It can be carried both cocked and locked or decocked in DA/SA. Unless it's used, the Rami is also above $500 according to Gun.Deals at least, and the XDe is under $400.
 
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Please quote the part where I stated you could not voice your opinion because you do not own a Springfield The point I was making, which someone else brought up first, is that most of the Springfield's biggest critics who are claiming they'll never buy one and will were never forgive the company were never really interested in what they had to offer in first place. That was a true statement that for you and many others, so what's the issue?

You're using my lack of Springfield ownership to minimize my criticisms. Much like you went into my user history to minimize my criticisms. Also, it's an appeal to authority i.e "because you don't own any springfield weapons...." You seem ready and willing to forgive anti-gun companies. I'm not. Not sure why you can't deal with that. I'm hardly their biggest critic, that's reserved for IL residents and the employees they just hosed. I just sounded off about it on a rather slow moving gun forum and now I'm the biggest critic. Maybe if I was all over youtube bashing this dude you might have a point. If I was interested in something they made (I'm not, they sell overpriced junk mostly) I would no longer be, after learning what kind of unpatriotic, backstabbing, corporate scum the heads at Springfield are. And I quote the CEO "I BROKE THE TRUST". Now he can own it!

Thank you Weatherby for leaving CA and moving to Wyoming. Once the Democratic morons vote in a split tax roll and cause business property tax to probably triple, I wish every CA based consumer goods manufacturer did this.

Then maybe...just maybe... the self-righteous, pompous zealots who are killing the golden goose called California won’t get voted into office anymore and sensibility will return to Sacramento.

Guess I'll be looking at some Weatherby's a little more closely, they have a very affordable big game rifle. If sensibility returns to Sacramento I would pack my bags and leave Texas. But I'm pretty sure out in California they will forever take their lunches somewhere in outer space. Used to be the greatest state in the union but since the late 60's it all fell off a cliff. My old man used to tell me about cruising his m/c around the bay area with a Blackhawk on his hip. Not quite the same anymore.
 
You're using my lack of Springfield ownership to minimize my criticisms. Much like you went into my user history to minimize my criticisms. Also, it's an appeal to authority i.e "because you don't own any springfield weapons...." You seem ready and willing to forgive anti-gun companies.
Okay, well you originally accused me of stating or implying that you weren't allowed to have an opinion because you didn't own any Springfields (I did not) which is completely different than what you're accusing me of now.

Second, I guess you can say I am minimizing your and others claims that you all will never own or be interested in owning a Springfield firearm when the fact is, by your own admission, you never were interested in them in the first place and you think they're "over priced junk." Other than that, I'm simply making an observation of the reoccurring theme. Most of the people who I come across who HATE SA, say they'll never forgive buy them, or any of their products where never a fan of their products to begin with...
 
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