Mandatory Gun Buybacks

jjadurbin said:

Just like today, Washington was being run by madness. They blamed failing marriages on whiskey.

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I know this to be true because my grandfather told me similar stories about the "temperance movement" that culminated in the 18th Amendment. It's too bad he's not around to tell them any more, but I'm still here, and I tell everyone I can.

The times may change but there will always be those who know better than the rest of us.

Now that they finally dropped all pretense, why don't they simply propose repealing the 2nd? Bring it on!

The poll might be accurate (It’s not). But put it in context. There’s over 300 million people in the United States and what, 80 million gun owners? And only 51% support gun buybacks. If you want the poll to be accurately portrayed, if every gun owner is represented (they're not), there’s at LEAST 70 million non gun owners who don’t support the buyback. Not as much support as they think.

polls are bias. if you poll in a Democrat area you will get mostly communist/socialist views.

I absolutely cannot believe educated folks still talk about "polls" with any minuscule of relevance. It's really quite laughable.

As is the idea that gun owning citizens will give up their guns.

That is why I laughed when Obama signed that World treaty about banning gun ownership. He couldn't disarm Americans (and he tried all he could) so he really thought that an international treaty would make us give in? Really? Some people just don't get it.

v35 said:

Is your life really worth that little to you?

Ask the Jews, who gave up their guns. Or current day Venezuelans, who gave up theirs. They're now getting shot in the street, because they're starving. For all I know they might even be getting shot by the guns they "gave back".

Perhaps if they didn't surrender their guns in the first place, they wouldn't be facing death due to starvation or being shot. Isn't that the point?

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Of course anybody would be lucky to get $100 or a pair of cheap gym shoes in return, so my point was purely rhetorical.

The grifters pushing this swill have juvenile domination and eliminationist fantasies, so this would inevitably jump straight to the kinetic stage.

I dont know why this idea of "buy backs" has gotten so much traction, it was initially proposed by a nobody who couldnt even crack double digits in the polls.

DustyGmt said:

I dont know why this idea of "buy backs" has gotten so much traction, it was initially proposed by a nobody who couldnt even crack double digits in the polls.

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It's a way to obfuscate "We're going to kill you and take your guns, but we don't want to fight a bloody and doomed (for us) guerrilla war. "

Fyrstyk said:

Fair market value for the guns on mandatory buy back? I think not. They would give you a $100.00 gift certificate to Starbucks for a $1800.00 dollar gun. Not a good deal in my book.

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Not to mention living on your knees for the freedom(s) you would be forever giving up.

Tell me the result that you want and I'll have someone design the poll to get you there.

I'm not kidding,

Bill Raby said:

Simple. The people in favor of the buy backs are communists.

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Don't toss the word "communist" around loosely. The suburban moms that are in favor of gun control may be naive, but they're not communists. Using the word "communist" in this way makes you sound like a raving right-winger, and thereby destroys your credibility.

AlexanderA said:

Don't toss the word "communist" around loosely. The suburban moms that are in favor of gun control may be naive, but they're not communists. Using the word "communist" in this way makes you sound like a raving right-winger, and thereby destroys your credibility.

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You are of course correct. The suburban Soccer Moms are not Party cadre. They are "fellow travelers" or, as the Party refers to them," useful idiots".

The 2A is only a bunch of words without the will to defend it. There remains only one question for believers in the 2A; “What will you do when they come?” The 2A was designed to deal with the exact conditions we are experiencing today; the Framers can give you the words and give you the tools in your gun safe but the will has to come from you. When they come, how many will be left with that kind of will to pay that kind of price intended by the 2A?

Public support for gun control has been going up since December of 2012, sometimes it slows and sometimes it raises but the trend has been steady up since then, that should be obvious to anyone paying attention.

Unfortunately, I think that trend will continue until most law abiding Americans are disarmed and as a result crime starts to rise rapidly. Then they will want a way to defend themselves, obviously it will be to late by then.

I’ve said it before, if they can get the AR’s they can get any gun. A mandatory Buyback isn’t about getting the guns, it’s not about crime, it’s not even about politics or mass shootings. It’s about turning the voices of the second amendment supporters into a corner with a binary choice of obedience or criminality, either way we lose.

I don't support gun control, however for $100 million each, the .gov can have as many of my guns as they want. After all, they have no qualms about wasting "other people's money" on equally frivolous pursuits. Joe

Remember the poll that stated that there would never be a Trump presidency? 100% true until it wasn't.

Deanimator said:

I wouldn't pick cotton in Mississippi without pay just because some strangers thought I should.

The same applies to allowing my AR15 to be stolen.

NO, I REFUSE.

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I picked cotton in Mississippi when I was barely able to tote the sack. I shamed a little boy and girl for being less and my poppa put me in the row alongside their mom and pop who were getting paid to pick. The locks on a cotton boll will tear a person to pieces and teach a little Mississippi girl a lesson that she will never forget.

Life is all about respect.

-So what will they "buy-back" next?
Your SUV?
Your air conditioner?
Commuter aircraft?
Your inefficient and over-sized home?
If you surrender on guns then the next steps will follow... .

Steve S. said:

The 2A is only a bunch of words without the will to defend it. There remains only one question for believers in the 2A; “What will you do when they come?” The 2A was designed to deal with the exact conditions we are experiencing today; the Framers can give you the words and give you the tools in your gun safe but the will has to come from you. When they come, how many will be left with that kind of will to pay that kind price intended by the 2A?

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We are rapidly getting to that dilemma, especially here in Virginia. The smart course of action for gun owners will be to sidestep and not confront. Forget about "watering the tree of liberty." Ignore the unjust laws, but do so very quietly.

A disorganized insurrectionism would be playing right into their hands.

How do you "Buy Back" something that you never owned in the first place?

This is simply Forced Confiscation - with a rebate.

...and Unconstitutional.




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DocRock said:

You are of course correct. The suburban Soccer Moms are not Party cadre. They are "fellow travelers" or, as the Party refers to them," useful idiots".

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OK, I'll play. Michael Bloomberg, the biggest gun controller of them all, is surely not a communist. Quite the opposite. Ascribing everything bad to communism -- a moribund philosophy -- is sooo 1950's. Just as communism is moribund, so too is movement anticommunism. Get with the times. You're not going to persuade anyone in the gun debate by trotting out the communist bugaboo.

Bloomberg is a would-be aristocrat.
Aristocrats have always disliked the idea of an armed peasantry.

AlexanderA said:

OK, I'll play. Michael Bloomberg, the biggest gun controller of them all, is surely not a communist. Quite the opposite. Ascribing everything bad to communism -- a moribund philosophy -- is sooo 1950's. Just as communism is moribund, so too is movement anticommunism. Get with the times. You're not going to persuade anyone in the gun debate by trotting out the communist bugaboo.

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The "Red Scare." Terrible times on both sides of the coin. The one factor that those times and contemporary times have in common is political radicalism which, in my opinion, is rearing its ugly head again.