The Myth The US Leads The World In Mass Shootings

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Very good but the ''other side'' isn't concerned about facts.

Another fact they are not concerned about, the positive use of any style firearm for any reason at any age, vastly outweighs all the negative uses.

Or simpler yet, all lawful uses vastly outweighs all illegal uses.
 
The question is whether restriction on legal manufacture, import, sale, purchase, and possession of guns impacts criminal or crazy gun violence.
Crime is perpetrated by an actor with motive and intent, exploiting opportunities and utilizing means to a bad end.
Gun control focusses on the wrong end of gun crime: the means owned by millions who do not and will not do violence to others.

The Norwegian mass murderer planned his crime for years, even made trips to Prague seeking black market gun connections.

I assure you that Beto style gun control will assure a thriving black market in guns in America, supported in that scenario by otherwise law abiding citizens, like the black market in Mexico today.
 
I had a post deleted here, as was not "on topic" I mentioned the Norway shooting and a movie about it. Also inter cities gun deaths.

So what actually is the "topic"??
The stats above do not include the last 4 years. Based on the "stats". Does one really believe there is more mass shootings in Norway?? Norway has a pop of a little over 5 million. The USA 330 Mil. The one Mass shooting in Norway was 77 I believe. Then there is, what is the definition of "mass" shooting??

If this is "not on topic" I apologize please delete.
 
The rates vs. gross number of shooting are more relevant since you may have on or none in a small population and many on a large. The rates of that type of event could be the same for the one or many if the populations are proportional. 1 out of 100,000 vs. 10 out of 1,000,000 are the same rate or risk. Factor in a frequency and the rates and risks change again. For a large population, say approximately 350,000,000 the number of events can be high, but adjusted for population and frequency the author points out that the rates and risks become clearly very little different and even lower than places held up as shining examples by Antis.
 
This seems to be a case of using stats to say anything you want. When people say the US 'leads the world in mass shootings' (a claim that I for one have never actually seen) most people who aren't statisticians probably would understand that to mean the US has more shootings. The right has loved to claim Chicago is the "murder capital of the US" by citing the gross number of murders when per capita they're not even in the top ten. So it's not so much that anti-gunners don't care about facts, it's more that each side twists the numbers to suit the narrative they prefer.
 
Rule3,

You mean we're like the French???


Only 4 in Florida . See how safe it is here.:) Now California is a really unsafe and all their gun laws(control) are really working?? NOT!

I hate statistics!
 
Lets see what the rates are with 2016. 2017. 2018 and 2019 are??????
That said I really do not think any more gun laws or "sensible gun control" is gonna make a difference at all. Crazy people will do crazy things
Here in Florida, I am not far from Parkland, it was not the fault of the gun or gun laws the whole damn system knew the kid was crazy and so many chances to get him help, but nothing done. So every time there is a shooting, they want to take guns away from the people that had nothing to do with it.
 
Great information! To be clear I'm not trying to be critical, I just think that in the conversation with anti-gunners we need to take the high road (no pun intended) and be scrupulous about insuring that the case we're making is an honest one. Even if the other side is not so honest.
 
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Crime is perpetrated by an actor with motive and intent, exploiting opportunities and utilizing any means to a bad end.

I would suggest the addition of one word to the otherwise perfect analysis above. ;):thumbup:

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hps
 
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