Teen used ‘ghost gun’ in California high school shooting

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And WHAT, pray tell, did the absence of any serial numbers have to do with the criminal act itself? In what way could their presence have possibly altered the outcome?

Anybody here have any answer other than "nothing" which can be quantifiably supported?

It would have done nothing. The only thing that might be different is the legal consequences for the poor slobs that have guns stolen and used in crimes.
 
If it were a Glock clone it would be a whole lot more believable, but a 1911? There are lots of those produced by fully equipped manufacturers that don’t work so the idea that Junior whipped up one in his garage is hard to swallow.

I’ve never seen a polymer 80% 1911. Is anyone making them? Otherwise this kid had to mill and drill metal. And he had to source and pay for all the parts. I smell a rat, or at least bad faith reporting.
 
California has among the strictest gun laws in the country, but they are based on traditional firearms that are made by manufacturers and labeled so ownership can be traced.
"Congress and state legislatures enact all these crimes about gun registration but now the gun industry is creating a way to just bypass the entire thing by creating a mechanism to manufacture weapons yourself," Villanueva said.

Anytime you can trace a gun, you have a little bit more information,” he said. “How did this gun get here? Who sold it, who was the gunmaker, who was the first person they sold it to and what happened?”


So, how in the heck would any of this have stopped the kid from shooting.??

Lets say it had a serial number? He still did the shooting. It's not like he left the gun behind and then if it had a number they could trace it back to who was the ORIGINAL owner

I also doubt the kid could have "made" it.?

Insert picture of tormented students here.
 
The linked article says no one knows where the gun came from and that there were other firearms(with serial numbers) in the kid's home. So whether or not having a serial number would have mattered, is a moot point. At 16, the shooter was already prohibited from carrying that handgun, yet that did not stop him. Sounds like up to the shooting he was a pretty good kid. Also sounds like he had good knowledge of and skill with a firearm.
 
I am not sure if these people are really that ignorant or not.

IF it’s that easy to create them, how are you going to ban them?

IF enacting a law to ban them is really going to work, why not just ban school shootings?

IF that doesn’t work (P.S. it’s already illegal) what it the world makes you think your other ideas will work?

It’s this “we’ve got to do something!” mentality, that got us places like bloodletting or putting leeches on people to treat all sorts of things.

One British medical text recommended bloodletting for acne, asthma, cancer, cholera, coma, convulsions, diabetes, epilepsy, gangrene, gout, herpes, indigestion, insanity, jaundice, leprosy, ophthalmia, plague, pneumonia, scurvy, smallpox, stroke, tetanus, tuberculosis, and for some one hundred other diseases.

Pretty obvious from our perspective that the idea was stupid. Why can’t they see the same for the ideas they promote?

On the other hand, maybe we need to cut open every child that attends public schools to let just the evil blood out of them...(insert roll eyes face here)

If we are going to go down the road of ideas that have been proven to not work, why not go all in on stupid?
 
I'm baffled that people in favor of gun control think a "ghost gun" being used in a terrible crime helps their case. It illustrates what many of us already know: you could outlaw every single firearm, and people bent on doing harm would still obtain them - perhaps by building them themselves.

I have often mused that, if we ever got to the point where the supply of factory-made, consumer-grade firearms fell so low that it could not meet criminal demand*, we'd be in a world of hurt. Because at that point small-scale criminal manufacturing of guns expressly for the purpose of supplying the black market becomes economically viable. And by far the easiest sort of gun to make for that market is an open-bolt full-auto subgun. Instead of criminals having ready access to Glocks, we'd be dealing with the average criminal having a Sten gun knockoff. Sure, they'll be low quality and not accurate (probably won't even be rifled)... but you don't need quality or accuracy to knock over a liquor store, or hose down a crowded public space and kill a bunch of people.

It's sort of like what happens when a geographic area or population previously had lots of easy access to opioid prescription drugs and new controls tighten up that access - actual heroin floods into that market.

*An utterly implausible situation that is the logical precondition to "reducing supply" or "making guns harder to get" having any measurable impact on crime/violence/homicide rates.
 
I thought "Ghost Gun" in the headline was just a way to cause hysteria towards those cheap little cnc machines that allow the average guy to make a gun at home, with no serial number of course, which makes the gun much more deadly. :uhoh:
 
So I just ordered myself a couple of Polymer80 lowers. I figure I can make myself big bucks selling "Ghost Gun Kits" to California after they double ban them. :D Imagine how super-evil a Ghost Gun Glock would be!
 
I thought "Ghost Gun" in the headline was just a way to cause hysteria towards those cheap little cnc machines that allow the average guy to make a gun at home, with no serial number of course, which makes the gun much more deadly. :uhoh:

Or the dreaded 3D printer that of course everyone has access to. Heck one report (news) showed it making ammo as well!

Lets not forget the plastic gun (Glock) scare they they could bypass screening and get on a plane!

There is a video on a guy who made a "complete" AR out of beer cans, I mean a real craftsman that has expensive machines. Smelted the cans, made a receiver etc etc. To may videos to search for it.
 
That raises the question of what is stopping Hong Kong protestors from making guns. Lack of ammo?

it’s not like there’s a shortage of 3D printers on campuses
 
CA has had such a law for the 80% lowers/receivers "ghost guns" on the books since 2016, which became effective Jan 1 of this year ('19).

This is the actual law (linked below), which lists the requirements for anyone in lawful possession of one by July 1, 2018 to have it registered with DOJ and serialized with a DOJ unique serial number or other mark of identification. The time requirement listed is by Jan 1, 2019. The owner can't transfer it to another person, either.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=29180.

Lots of laws were in effect at the time of the tragic shooting at that school.

I recently became aware of a case where someone was being charged for a violation of this "ghost gun" section.
 
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They blame “the gun”.
What drugs has this little punk been on?
Should he have been on meds?
How did his parents raise the little murderer?

The media makes me sick in this country.

Yep. 8 hours of video games per day, Google is God, Family doesn't care, no morals, plenty of prescription drugs, social media influencing most decisions. Many kids don't have a chance.

This BS is a good reason for all of us to try and mentor a kid. Try to actually teach them something real. If we're lucky, we can also teach them some morals and old school values.
 
But many politicians only need to persuade the ignorant urban/suburban masses that these politicians are Doing something.

A lady First Officer (then on the MD-88, she lives south of ATL in Peachtree City GA ) I worked with a few times, who is from Boston, felt like "doing something" (passing more laws) is better than nothing.
She said so at "crew show time" in the Toronto hotel, on the day somebody shot people at the Oregon community college a few years ago.
 
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