To All Vegetarians.......

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Philosophically speaking, the satisfaction and gratification the process of obtaining, preparing and eating animals brings me justifies its place in my diet. Hunting and eating animals is worth it.


“There are people who strictly deprive themselves of each and every eatable, drinkable, and smokable which has in any way acquired a shady reputation.

They pay this price for health.

And health is all they get for it.

How strange it is.

It is like paying out your whole fortune for a cow that has gone dry.” -Mark Twain
 
If Mallard wrapped in Venison strips is bad for me, then why does it taste so good?:)



Also, how is chicken not meat?
It, too, is delicious. Usually with vegetables...:confused:


So, if everyone was Vegan, would Health Knuts start eating wood?
I’m a carpenter, would that make me a chef?:D


Who’s mother hasn’t told them to finish their broccoli?
 
Damn near died from spinach off a salad bar.

It been 30 years or so ago but I remember a bunch of us going to a restaurant for dinner and a half dozen were “ill from both ends” in 90 minutes. Only thing “we” had uncommon from the others that were fine was the lettuce.
 
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Well... back in 1900's and 1910's when my dad experienced the imperial Russian unrest first hand, my grandparents resorted to making bread out of pine bark. Hidous, I've been told, but they survived. It's nothing short of amazing what can be used as food in an emergency.

I've lost track of so many references to the pine tree's inner bark being edible sustenance. I'm reminded that Irish potatoes can be processed into flour and baked goods. Also, that manioc root they have in the Amazon rain forest... they process it into flour, including detox, and bake bread... probably goes good with fried piranha.
 
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have anywhere near the credentials of the author, Dr.
Argumentatum ad verecundiam. My wife's a research scientist, D.Sc.(tech), and whenever we want to keep meetings with investors, partners, associates, clients etc. short and sweet, we'll just let her do the talking. She's not questioned much if at all even if she presents my projects and develoments. The fallacy of credentials/authority works fabulously even when you're presenting facts and not just speculations.

The motive behind attacking meat and dairy is and has always been rather ideological. Desired results are usually determined beforehand, which manifests itself in cutting corners by overlooking the distinction of what the actual consumed food products are, their content, additives, processing and a plethora of factors which absolutely would require a controlled environment. For instance, even without reading the report in question, I'd hazard the usual guess: has the author really fed the research group unprocessed (as a reminder: this is hunting forum) meat and dairy products, as they are, or drawn conclusions from uncontrolled diets consisting of processed animal proteins, unknown quantities of sugars, nitrites and so forth, and having kept a control group on a strict deprived diet, from a statistically identical starting point?

I thought not. A research experiment like this is extremely difficult to arrange and I'm aware of none ever attempted or completed. If you are, please let us know.

From a purely causal, scientific and nutritional standpoint, the vegetable-based diet and "health" fallacy has all the characteristics of a placebo/nocebo experiment by disregarding a number of factors, the most critical being not just protein sources but the whole composition of what's being consumed. Switching from highly processed sausages, cheap hamburger steaks (you know the type, one falls behind a fridge, you find it three years later and it hasn't grown any mold), associated bakery products etc. to any non- or even less-processed, more or less additive-free food will definitely yield health benefits.

People are intentionally led to believe that it's something you eat instead (vegetables), disregarding all the additives, preservatives and sugars you give up at the same time. Nocebo in its purest form, causality being obscured by propagandist methodology. You might as well eat more or less as much as game meat, pork, beef, chicken and fish as you like, and physiologically speaking, be even healthier with fewer risks of nutritional deficiencies.

Because this conversation seems to be well past its "best before" -date, I'll play the dreaded H-card to finish it off. The lean prototype of Übermensch was to be created with vegetarian diet adored and practised by the great leader of the Reich, who himself had messed up his digestion as a direct result of it, and the only viable method to keep slightly malnourished forces operational was a liberal dosage of methamphetamines. Not that the ideologically and politically suppressed meat and dairy industry would have been able to supply the demand had it been allowed to, but as an experiment to dictate what a good german from Bund Deutscher Mädchen to Arbeitsfront and what was being served at all Kraft durch Freude events, it failed miserably. Because of straightforward nutritional facts that can't be overcome without an extensive, worldwide trade, import and preservation infrastructure, which didn't exist back then and in today's terms is against all the principles vegetarian diet is hyped with.

So there. Food for thought. Sorry about the long post, in case of TL;DR.
 
The story is told of a simple farmer taking college classes to obtain a certificate on animal husbandry. One of the prerequisites was (human) Nutrition taught by a professor long on self-righteous indignation and very short on seeing logical traps.

After a lecture on animal fat with a professor all but said that's should have a skull and crossbones on the labels the farmer raised his hand and told how during butchering his great-grandfather would cut the suet fat, put it between two slices of bread and eat it as a sandwich. He also noted how his great-grandfather had lived to be a ripe old age and died being thrown by a horse and breaking his neck.

The professor being outraged at the gall of a mere student contradicting him then launched into a tirade pointing out how the great-grandfather chopped his own wood for heating fuel, farmed with horses and the other physical chores of pre-power agriculture.

The old farmer smiled, nodded and leaned back in his chair and said simply – "then what you're saying it's not the diet that's the killer but the lifestyle…"

Just saying…
 
The link below will bring you to 17 pages of over 100 articles depicting real success stories of folks regaining their health by switching to a plant based diet. Read them if you’d like or not...

https://www.forksoverknives.com/success-stories/#gs.hvs63m

This isn’t a fad. For those who read the Bible, it’s in Daniel 1.

Bottom line, I am only trying to make folks aware there are alternatives to chronic disease and pain. Compared to prescription drugs cost and side effects, it costs little to try for a week. And your lab work and the way you feel will be clear.
 
Know what's far better than a grilled rib-eye steak and a baked potato on the side? A grilled rib-eye steak and another rib-eye steak on the side.
About three years ago I started following the Atkins diet, lots of meat very few carbs. In about three months I went from 255lbs to 205lbs. In the first month my blood pressure dropped from high to the low edge of normal range, don't recall the exact numbers. I also feel about a decade younger.
 
Buzz, you find those same success stories with any diet, Paleo, Keto, Atkins, Whole 30 etc. there are others, those are just a few that support high animal intake.

When people lose weight by exercising and eating better, they get healthier and they feel better. Sometimes they don’t need BP meds anymore etc. It’s the same success story. Testimonials don’t really say anything except that subjectively the human feels better.
 
Another prime example of how vegetarians/vegans push their delusions on other while exhibiting a false sense of grand superiority and obvious sense of intellectual high pedestal. I’ve been over weight and I’ve been a body builder. People that take on a specific diet and do so seriously, generally get healthier and feel better. It has little to do with a strict meat diet or a strict veggie diet and way more to do with the fact that you cut out junk food and sugars and start exercising when attempting to be healthy. Yet it seems it’s ALWAYS the vegetarians that find some sense of super morality from their diet. I personally can not stand people like that.
 
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Yet it seems it’s ALWAYS the vegetarians that find some sense of super morality from their diet.
When they have nutritional facts and the principle of food chain - nothing less than the basis of all life on this planet - against them, it'll be either that or a devastated ego if one's diet has been built on the delusion. Personally I couldn't really care less, anyone can *HONK* up themselves with any kind of food-chain-skipping diet as they like, but once they build their identity on it and become pretentious, I have no problem being the first to see how the bubble stands up to the tiniest needle of facts.

I'm not a mean person so I'm happy to live and let live unless the subject is brought up in pseudoscientific or "ethically" condescending context. Heck, I'll even cook a dinner for my vegetarian buddies every now and then, which is much of result of them not behaving like complete å$$#073s what it comes to making a fuzz about personal dietary choices and its perceived benefits. And my mom's old beetroot stew recipe being nothing short of fantastic. Too bad they won't have slices of smoked venison to go with it. :)
 
With the price of beef these days, we are recently more vegetarian than we used to be. :)

Have a blessed day,

Leon
 
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