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Okay, so the thread is no longer about pocket guns in general, and is now one that should have been titled "Pocket carry vs Belt carry"?

Or is it now a caliber war?
 
Good point. The OP wanted info on an LCP vs. a 442. I don't know if we resolved that for the OP. So let's get back to that question. Opinions on other things can go to other threads.
 
Good advice. That's the opinion of most quality trainers and users of the guns who take the issues seriously.
 
Just curious Browning, I take it you work in a emergency room, EMT?
Yes. EMS, not ER based.

Okay, so the thread is no longer about pocket guns in general, and is now one that should have been titled "Pocket carry vs Belt carry"?

Or is it now a caliber war?
Not everything has to be a war.

The name of the thread is pocket pistols. 7 pages in people are going to end up discussing what pocket pistols are for and what situations they shine in and what situations they aren’t that great at.

People can have differing opinions.
 
Diligent, Moderate and frequent training. I mold my training for pocket guns in a very similar plan much like I did over Running and Coaching for decades. I carry a Pocket Pistol every day. Have been for over 10 yrs. I was taught and taught Runners that the best results, and one key part of that training is Frequent, Diligent and moderate workouts. In the case of the pocket Pistol. DRAWING the weapon. No, this is not something you do in a few weekends a month. It is ever single day of your life that you carry. For the past decade with the Pocket gun, I have a standard Regime I follow. After I am dressed, and ready for the day, I devote just 5 minutes to one thing. DRAWING the Gun. It becomes a habit. And this repetition over and over becomes a natural reflex and you will learn to do it very fast. So very easy to do and so convenient. There are NO excuses to not train to do this daily. And please do not try and tell me you will not get very good at this.
5 minutes a day does not sound like a lot of training. But , on a 7 day week 35 minutes of devoted training to just one aspect of shooting the Pocket gun well. It is just the start.
30 days is now 17 hours of training a month.
It should become a habit just like brushing your teeth.

Then there are of course other drills for shooting pocket guns or small barrel guns. I typically shoot twice a week, but at least once a week. I also have a course set up in my Backyard and targets set up in my garage for BB and Pellet pistols. Train often and you will be surprised what you can do with a small pocket gun. Invest in a a Good Air Pistol and invest in a good small barrel 22.cal and practice point and shoot over and over.

No, I am NO Pro, no Expert., have no expert friends. I take what I have and do my best. My Goals are daily to compete against myself, to get better each week. To challenge myself. And I have come a very long way since I shot my first pocket gun 10 years ago. We are talking in this thread about Pocket guns or small barrel guns, we are not talking about duty pistols target shooting, etc.
My point is, you can do what ever you set your mind to do. It is just a matter of doing it. Yes, if you can take a class great do it. But all the classes in the world but you will still have to train OR PRACTICE frequently. Take what resources you have and use them. It does not have to be expensive. And Never let anyone tell you what you can and cannot do.

*Many years ago, when I was young. I trained with a top local Runner who was older than myself. Twice a day for years. Rain, sleet, snow, heat. I asked him one time before we ran together, how he could get up every day to train. He said, "Just a Habit, like Brushing your Teeth". that always stuck with me. Get up, put your clothers on and make drawing the gun a habit.
 
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DRAWING the Gun. It becomes a habit. And this repetition over and over becomes a natural reflex and you will learn to do it very fast. So very easy to do and so convenient. There are NO excuses to not train to do this daily. And please do not try and tell me you will not get very good at this.
5 minutes a day does not sound like a lot of training. But , on a
Actually, that's not training, that's practice.

It's a good thing, but one has to first know what to practice for.

I did not know what capability would likely required until I availed myseelf of some good trining. Not competition stuff chasing targets with extra magazines, but realistic counter ambush training..

Where I found myself unable to meet expectations in the drills with a small pocket revolver was getting an adequate balance of speed and precision--three to five shots into the area of a small pie plate at ten feet in, say, a second and a half.

That's enough time, by the way, for the average person to move about twenty feet.

We are talking in this thread about Pocket guns or small barrel guns, we are not talking about duty pistols target shooting, etc.
My point is, you can do what ever you set your mind to do. It is just a matter of doing it.

What hindered me was the trigger pull (length, weight, and the ability to pull quickly and smoothly as influenced by the grip and the mass of the forearm) and the recoil. Setting my mind to it didn't help much at all,

No, I do not carry a duty pistol.

Pocket guns certainly have their places, and I have several but my lifestyle and attire rarely constrain me to one.
 
Lol, I really do not care if you refer to it as Practice, training, whatever. Just do it. The morning drawing session is training my mind, muscle memory skills, fingers, hand,eyes etc. You can call it whatever. And if you read the post, there are other drills, beyond the drawing.
Obviously a pocket gun is not for you and that is fine. They are not meant for others as well. Find what you can be good at, the gun you like, but train, Practice or whatever term you like. Call it Mouse work if you like, I don't care.
 
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Lol, I really do not care if you refer to it as Practice, training, what ever. Just do it.
Good idea, but only for those who already know what to do and how to do if. That's where training comes in--which is after or accompanied by education.

Find what you can be good at, the gun you like, but train,
Training can help a lot in finding out what one should be good at, and that can help with choosing the tool.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-0f-education-training-and-practice.851671/
 
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The name of the thread is pocket pistols.

Actually, it's "Pocket Gun", and I go by the OP's query, not the thread title. half a dozen pages of bickering about whether or not "pocket guns" should be in anyone's carry rotation doesn't help him decide between a 642, LCR, LCP, etc. See post #152 (the one directly beneath mine.)
 
I started off the LCP when they first came out. Went through many of them. Have the 642, LCR9mm, LCR22, two Pico's and a Kahr CW380. Keltec 9=P32 as well as small trainers. I am posted out, I will let you help him Midwheeler to decide that one.I have said my piece. One war is enough for me. Go for it.
 
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Actually, it's "Pocket Gun", and I go by the OP's query, not the thread title. half a dozen pages of bickering about whether or not "pocket guns" should be in anyone's carry rotation doesn't help him decide between a 642, LCR, LCP, etc. See post #152 (the one directly beneath mine.)
Pocket gun, pocket pistols.

Not really much of a difference. :Shrug

After this number of pages I’m pretty sure that task is completed.
 
I see pocket carry as a 'necessary evil' in some cases. I only do it as a last resort, but when I do it is a S&W 642 in a leather pocket holster with a speed strip for more ammo. :)
 
Ok, having had a LCP, G42, 642 and 432 - my choice is the 432. Lightweight, realiable J frame with 6 rounds of 32 HR mag. The LCP was ok but not my favorite. I like the Glock but love Js. the 432 gives me an extra shot. As said, repeatedly, I shoot all the last three repeatedly. I carry a speed strip for 432. I acknowledge the limitations of the pocket guns for accuracy and reloads for the more intense critical incident. It is a compromise. SW should release more 432s as they are a popular niche gun.
 
Actually, that's not training, that's practice.
actually that is training, not practice. https://www.thefreedictionary.com/training

training is learning and practicing with a specific purpose in mind. obviously, jeb stuart has a specific purpose in mind; don't think you have to go to a "class" to aquire knowledge.

practice is a generic term that, in this case, is used in a derogatory fashion. practice without purpose is just exercise and, while useful, does not satisfy a purpose.

so, I hope everyone trains rather than practices.

murf
 
I pocket carry a bond arms 410. It works, one handed shooting/operation is very easy.
 
actually that is training, not practice.
Not as he described it.

training is learning and practicing with a specific purpose in mind.
That definition is so general as to be meaningless.

It could apply to slicing onions with the objective of making soup.

The objective of some kinds of training is to increase body strength.

Here, we are discussing skill development.

They mention both learning and practice. Thee same source gives this definition of "practice".

Repeated performance of an activity in order to learn or perfect a skill:
But unless the task is rote--simple--one cannot learn a skill by repeated performance, one has to be taught.

Defensive shooting is not a simple sill to learn without help form someone who knows the skills and can teach tthem

obviously, jeb stuart has a specific purpose in mind;
Yep.

don't think you have to go to a "class" to aquire knowledge.
No, but if you share expenses with other students, it is a lot more cost objective than hiring your own instructor.

practice is a generic term that, in this case, is used in a derogatory fashion.
Why would you ever think that?

Whet Jeb Stuart does at home is extremely important.

James B. Hickock practiced two-handed shooting extensively.

Jelly Bryce practiced drawing his revolver in front of a mirror.

practice without purpose is just exercise and, while useful, does not satisfy a purpose.
What's that about?

Our purpose is to maintain a perishable skill and to continue to improve our performance by repetition.

But first we have to learn the skill.

I have never known anyone who has availed themselves of training who does not understand that.

so, I hope everyone trains rather than practices.
That doesn't make any sense.

We are not quibbling with words here. We are trying to communicate meaning.

From the discussion, the need is clear.
 
In a effort to get shooters off the words Practice and Train, and get them more into just doing both and focused on gettting better at all your skills. I have come up with a new word for the gun world. Feel Free to use it anytime.

Practice/ train "Practain"
Practice, Train, Maintain skills. It Encompasses all.
 
In a effort to get shooters off the words Practice and Train, and get them more into just doing both and focused on gettting better at all your skills. I have come up with a new word for the gun world. Feel Free to use it anytime.

Practice/ train "Practain"
Practice, Train, Maintain skills. It Encompasses all.
It sounds too much like a banana:rofl:
 
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