Mag Tube Spring Issue: Henry Lever Action

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A few things first:

1) I did buy a spare magazine tube assembly in anticipation of this issue.

2) I don't want to have a debate about the safety concerns of leaving guns loaded, or in vehicles.

So, a while back I bought a Henry .357 Steel Big Boy 20". The rifle stays loaded with 10 (max capacity) in the magazine, and the chamber empty, in a padded soft case. It's in the house at night, and I put it in the vehicle every morning to go to work. The encased rifle is kept under a blanket in the vehicle but is still subject to temperature changes. It comes out of the vehicle when I get home from work, but remains in the case. I check it periodically, so maybe once a month.

A handful months have gone by, and my casual inspection this morning found that the mag tube spring just had no spring left. I'm not sure if this is a combination of the temperature fluctuations and the magazine being loaded to capacity all the time; or if temperature has nothing to do with it.

I did take the assembly apart and stretch the spring back out. That operation is not difficult, but not something I would expect everyone to be comfortable with as the mag tube assembly was obviously not designed for spring maintenance or replacement. I will try it again with only 7 rounds and see if that eliminates the spring set. The springs are quite thin in diameter. Thinner than I would have expected.

The good news, is that if the gun is held barrel up whilst cycling the action, even with a gutless spring, gravity will feed the rounds. Which is far from ideal, but possibly worth knowing.
 
Compressing and uncompromising weakens springs. Leaving a spring compressed does not. Knowing that, what kind of temperature variations are we talking about?

If this is a fairly old rifle it would make sense the spring became weaker over time instead of temperature causing the problem.
 
Compressing and uncompromising weakens springs. Leaving a spring compressed does not. Knowing that, what kind of temperature variations are we talking about?

If this is a fairly old rifle it would make sense the spring became weaker over time instead of temperature causing the problem.

Temperature variation would be between 90 degrees and 20 degrees thus far.

It's really not an old rifle, maybe 6 months since I bought it NIB. And it's only had a few hundred rounds through it.
 
That’s waaaay too soon for a mag tube spring to give up the ghost like that, loaded or not. I’m thinking it may be a lemon part that didn’t take a temper during the manufacturing process or something similar.

Let Henry know and they’ll probably mail you a new one and ask for the defective one back to see what happened.

Good luck! I love my three Henry .22’s, they’re loads of fun to plink away with.

Stay safe.
 
Well, I sent them an email. We'll see what happens. Perhaps it's just one bad spring.
 
Compressing and uncompromising weakens springs.
Tell that to my mossberg 500 that stayed fully loaded for 10 years. Mag spring couldn't get the last shell out even, rarely shot. Or the 9 rd glock mags that only hold 8 until you leave them loaded a few months.
I have heard it both ways and the best thing i can come up with is temper of each spring. When it comes to that i think i just get all the bad ones.
 
Tell that to my mossberg 500 that stayed fully loaded for 10 years.

I would look pretty funny talking to a shotgun. Either way, I bought a used Maverick 88 that was around the same age. Spring needed replacing because it squeaked more than I wanted. Functionally it was fine. Cartridge stop needed some burr removal as well. I have left AR magazines loaded for around a decade that still shot without a hiccup.
 
I only keep 3 in shotgun 4 in pistol and keep extra with them. Not likely to need full mag but have extra if needed. Springs will weaken if left fully compressed. Even leaving a round chambered in straight brass auto loader can have effect on ammo. Had a 9mm left chambered for home and one day one of my hogs got tore torn up real bad in a fight. Went to put it down and that cartridge would not fire. The OAL had decreased from constant pressure from bolt and had to have been some effect from hot and cold. Might have just been that lucky one but I still don't leave one chambered in an auto loader just cause.
 
Ive always been curious and concerned about this. I always only load 7 in my rossi, instead of leaving 9 in there for long periods of time. Am I crazy?
 
I do not know where this idea of “fully compressed springs don’t lose their tension” came from but I can tell you that in my experience that is not the case.

I'm not debating your experience....but ....

Magazines from WW2 German MP-40s have been found in old buildings, loaded since the war. They were test fired and functioned fine. Other people have found old magazines in a deceased parent's home that were loaded, and found they worked.

It may be an individual thing. Cheaply made springs may not survive well.
 
Let us know how Henry responds to you. That's' something Id like to know , since I own a Henry and plan on buying another. Would like to know what kind of people you have to deal with. Good or bad.
 
Henry’s customer has been good in my experience, only have had to use it once but was a positive experience. My 357 Big Boy wouldn’t feed 38’s, they replaced the rifle and the replacement had nicer wood than the original.
 
I received a response from Henry:

I have heard from other customers who prefer to keep their rifles loaded. Yes I would think over time a spring will lose its bounce. This seems normal. Hope this helps.

Unacceptable! I have already replied.
 
I received a response from Henry:

I have heard from other customers who prefer to keep their rifles loaded. Yes I would think over time a spring will lose its bounce. This seems normal. Hope this helps.

Unacceptable! I have already replied.

Interesting. No offer to replace or even sell you a replacement? That’s weird.
 
Hmmm, that’s not on par with Ruger CS at all.

I checked, Wolff makes tubular mag springs for .38-.357 rifles. About 6 bucks (plus shipping I’m sure), they’re made long so you’ll cut to fit.

It may be worth the expense-effort to go with Wolff if Henry isn’t going to handle beyond that e-mail. :thumbdown:

Stay safe.
 
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