Crazy California Guns

People that still live there have to be insane, so who knows.

People don't realize it's expensive to live there but near impossible to move. Other things like work and family keep them there. The sad but true thing is these people are neutering these guns to stay legal while the law makers make the laws they think protect law abiding gun owner, but in reality there protecting the criminals.

What is a single action bolt action Glock?

Bill Raby said:

I just heard that people in California are building single shot, bolt action Glocks to get around the insane laws there. Has anyone else heard of this or is it just a bunch of nonsense?

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That's a few years old news.

Essentially the gun is converted to single shot to take advantage of the side shot exemption (SSE) to get handguns not on the roster.

They'd use a mag block and different barrel or barrel insert or something. I never did it so I'm not well versed.

Buyer gets gun and converts it back to semi auto.

CA put a stop to that at least about 3 yrs ago. I believe they redefined what a single shot is .... top break and bolt actions I believe....

The hottest action in Ca. is buying/selling off roster guns second hand. People regularly pay $599.00-$600.00 for a used Ruger MK ll. You can't import off roster guns from out of state but can buy/sell ones that are already in the state.
There is also a loophole for law enforcement. More than a hand full of officers have made a side business of this. Some have faced criminal charges. I could for example buy (through an FFL) a secondhand Gen4 from my law enforcement buddy. Unless it's second hand I can only legally purchase Gen 3 an older Glocks.

Bill Raby said:

I just heard that people in California are building single shot, bolt action Glocks to get around the insane laws there. Has anyone else heard of this or is it just a bunch of nonsense?

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Nope. Not in my corner of the State. Sounds like nonsense (just like our laws!)

danez71 said:

That's a few years old news.

Essentially the gun is converted to single shot to take advantage of the side shot exemption (SSE) to get handguns not on the roster.

They'd use a mag block and different barrel or barrel insert or something. I never did it so I'm not well versed.

Buyer gets gun and converts it back to semi auto.

CA put a stop to that at least about 3 yrs ago. I believe they redefined what a single shot is .... top break and bolt actions I believe....

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Exactly, my friends in California talk about the "temporary design gymnastics" that occurs to get non-roster guns in only to change them back to stock after. But as @danez71 stated this was ended not long ago.

It was referred to as the "single-shot exemption" by everyone in the CA firearm industry.

There is also a Single Action Exemption for revolvers in California.
Obviously meant for the SAAs in Hollywood prop departments but would also apply to the SA K38 and OMT made for bullseye shooting.
It is simple to render a DA revolver single action, and simple to return it to DA.
I wonder if the definition was changed along with the end of the single shot exemption.

troy fairweather said:

People don't realize it's expensive to live there but near impossible to move. Other things like work and family keep them there. The sad but true thing is these people are neutering these guns to stay legal while the law makers make the laws they think protect that disarm law abiding gun owner, but in reality there protecting the criminals.

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Fixed it for you,,,

Californian lawmakers could not care less about law abiding gun owners,,,
Their goal is to abolish civilian gun ownership entirely.

It's why I left that place 23 years ago,,,
I've never regretted it.

Aarond

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If that is true - having observed manufacturing/ownership dodge in the past - my take is this.
A single shot or repeater *Glock* would allow one to own a Glock frame where a semi-auto may be at issue and then get a slide as one sees fit.

Me.... I'd just get a revolver because the dodge above still implies ownership of offending magazines.


Todd.

If I were paid a billion or two dollars to move to California - the second billion to relocate my friends in the style to which they would like to become accustomed - I would probably focus on revolvers, too. I actually shoot my Pythons when the sixgun urge strikes.

What they've done to the AR is just sad...

Anybody serious about rock climbing has to make the haj to Yosemite. Fortunately I got to put up a route on El Cap long before Kaliforians engaged in their foolish effort to neuter their citizens.

I still go there from time to time, but when my pump and 1911 are outlawed they won't see another dollar from me.

The “single shot” gun mod was done away with in 2014, I believe. Around that same time anyone bringing guns into CA is “importing” guns so they must be “documented”. California doesn’t “register” guns, dontcha know.

I moved back here a year ago to be near family. No, I am not insane. Crazy, probably. Insane? No.

The laws can be intimidating but once you figure things out it’s not as bad as people with half the information make it out to be. Is it stupid ridiculous? Yes. Can one live with it? Yes.

ApacheCoTodd said:

If that is true - having observed manufacturing/ownership dodge in the past - my take is this.
A single shot or repeater *Glock* would allow one to own a Glock frame where a semi-auto may be at issue and then get a slide as one sees fit.

Me.... I'd just get a revolver because the dodge above still implies ownership of offending magazines.


Todd.

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Jim Watson said:

If I were paid a billion or two dollars to move to California - the second billion to relocate my friends in the style to which they would like to become accustomed - I would probably focus on revolvers, too. I actually shoot my Pythons when the sixgun urge strikes.

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Actually, the double action revolver situation here is California is not very good either. No DA revolver can be sold into the state if it is not on the roster, and none of the old classic S&W and Colt revolvers are. For practical purposes, the only legal way to get one is to find one that was in the state prior to the law, and of course that means they are much more expensive than they would be in other parts of the country.

Oh, dear, I didn't realize revolvers were rosterized.
I'll just register what I have (with neutered magazines where required) and sell some of them to augment my billion buck grant.

You could just leave your Pythons with me when you move to California, Jim. I would take good care of them!

BOARHUNTER

Bill Raby said:

I just heard that people in California are building single shot, bolt action Glocks to get around the insane laws there. Has anyone else heard of this or is it just a bunch of nonsense?

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No, that's not true as Glocks are on roster and sell quite well out here.

But it is true that there are suckers in states outside Cali. that will believe anything they hear about the state.

Oh by the way, I can sell you a Single Shot Bolt Action Glock factory new for $500. Contact me if you are interested.

Or this for $1500. Big seller out here!

Boarhunter said:

You could just leave your Pythons with me when you move to California, Jim. I would take good care of them!

BOARHUNTER

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If that grant doesn't come through, I will have to sell them.

Bill Raby said:

I just heard that people in California are building single shot, bolt action Glocks to get around the insane laws there. Has anyone else heard of this or is it just a bunch of nonsense?

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It is a bunch of nonsense, because there is no such thing as a single action bolt action Glock. May I ask where you heard it? Was it just someone shooting his mouth off, or was it written somewhere?

tipoc said:

No, that's not true as Glocks are on roster and sell quite well out here.

But it is true that there are suckers in states outside Cali. that will believe anything they hear about the state.

Oh by the way, I can sell you a Single Shot Bolt Action Glock factory new for $500. Contact me if you are interested.

Or this for $1500. Big seller out here!

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Ah...Finally! A “perfect” 1911...


Guys...put those down...guys....It was a joke...I was kidding...

Actually, I do recall the “single shot” Gen 4 Glocks being sold with a long barrel in a single shot configuration in 2012/2013. They did not have a bolt action and the barrel protruded from the end of the slide by an inch or two. One could buy the gun and upon receipt you could buy a kit that came with the proper barrel / part to put the gun back to it’s intended configuration.
I never participated in those reindeer games because I was happy with my Gen 3s at the time and I didn’t want the hassle just to try and impress others at the gun range that I was a “bad bad boy”.
Kudos to those that came up with this to get around stupid laws though. Californians are definitely an innovative lot.

Anyone want to buy some used Bullet Buttons?

Jim Watson said:

There is also a Single Action Exemption for revolvers in California.
Obviously meant for the SAAs in Hollywood prop departments

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Sounds great, until you think about that for a second.

Pretty sure I’ve seen movies with G18’s, 249’s, M2’s, miniguns, Tavors, and a half a billion AR’s... there’s a lot more than just SAA’s in Hollywood prop departments, and they aren’t sweating any laws regulating actual firearms. Equally, if California told Hollywood they couldn’t house Colt SAA or AR-15 prop guns, nobody in that production house would remotely care about losing access to SAA’s, but the modern action film genre is built around America’s Rifle.

I’ve seen a lot of intricately re-engineered “loop hole” designs and “temporarily compliant” models, but it doesn’t make much sense to me. It’s either breaking the law to convert, or using a watered-down and crippled version of the original... neither is a winning proposition long term.