Airsoft training?

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It's affordable Force on Force training. People with more money use Simmunition wax bullets. The problem for individuals like myself is that I cannot easily find people serious about Force on Force training. Even with airsoft gear, there is a substantial investment in equipment and skill so that there are few people willing to do more than play a silly game, and they usually don't invite me. The ones who will invite me, for a fee, usually use simmunition.

Let's face it. There are a lot more people in the US fascinated with hoarding guns than there are with a serious interest in training and acquiring skills in their use.
 
It's affordable Force on Force training. People with more money use Simmunition wax bullets. The problem for individuals like myself is that I cannot easily find people serious about Force on Force training. Even with airsoft gear, there is a substantial investment in equipment and skill so that there are few people willing to do more than play a silly game, and they usually don't invite me. The ones who will invite me, for a fee, usually use simmunition.

Let's face it. There are a lot more people in the US fascinated with hoarding guns than there are with a serious interest in training and acquiring skills in their use.

Plus its hard to find the kits for Simmuntion. I could not find any with out a LEO letterhead.
 
I would say this video emphasizes dry practice more than playing airsoft.

Regardless, its impressive and inspiring.

I know dry practice has without a doubt helped me and should continue to do so.
 
Some references on FOF, airsoft:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/the-cutting-edge-of-force-on-force-training/
https://www.krtraining.com/KRTraining/Archive/ForceOnForce.pdf

My own experience and Karl's take. Karl runs great FOF at Taccon. Airsoft guns are very viable. BTW, I know from experience that if you are caught in an FOF ambush at close range with a fully auto airsoft gun and you are just wearing a tee shirt, you can come away black, blue and bloody. Was interesting explaining that in the faculty locker room after that weekend. Why, Glenn - why are you so beat up - did you fall down as you are an old toot. No, I was shot to pieces in a FOF intensive training session.

Why did I get hosed? Simulated bank robbery. A team crashes into the bank. Surprise! I duck out the door. Should have pied it but then the attack team would have had me. So out I go - into another team of four. Surprise again - pew, pew in full auto. Sometimes there is not a winning solution. BTW, my gun - a 5 shot J with Code Eagle. Oh, well.

Wife told me I was too old for such. She has a point - certainly now. I couldn't escape from attack turtles.
 
Like anything, the quality of the training determines the value of it. I've done FoF with simunition and airsoft. I've had bad simunition trainers and good airsoft and the reverse.
 
For those that think airsoft is just silly...
AirSoft is a tool. And just like any other tool, it can be used for good or bad. I see the good potential in training, no matter how well equipped. As long as the training has value and the trainees walk away with new or improved skills, I believe it would mean success.
And I do realize that many scoff at AirSoft, paintball or even FoF Simmunition training. Oh well.


The problem for individuals like myself is that I cannot easily find people serious about Force on Force training.
Agreed, same here. And I applaud you, sir, (and others) for seeking out training. Trying to use a tool without trained skills and mindset can be a very dangerous endeavor.
Have you found anyone local yet? I have been looking too, so far have 2 other locals interested so we might be successful in starting something new and helpful. An instructor would be great but not a deal breaker.


Let's face it. There are a lot more people in the US fascinated with hoarding guns than there are with a serious interest in training and acquiring skills in their use.
Agreed. I am always surprised at the lack of training desire whenever I visit my local CHL instructor during his class. Last 2 months, 0 people have signed up for his class. But I think over 100 got their CHL. I don't like that math.
I am worried that one day I might get accidentally hurt or killed by a clueless, untrained, unskilled CHL holder. Wouldn't that be the worst irony?


As for Simmunition vs AirSoft. I voluntarily took a short free FoF class with our local PD. Was incredulous as to how adrenaline actually affects us. That's where I saw one of the benefits of continued FoF training. And when you don't count any paint marks on your opponents or yourself and are honest about having been hit, there's no reason AirSoft could not be used in lieu of the expensive firearms and Simmunition.
 
I would say this video emphasizes dry practice more than playing airsoft.
Yep.

Good, for what it is, but it does not help with recoil management.

AirSoft is a tool. And just like any other tool, it can be used for good or bad. I see the good potential in training, no matter how well equipped. As long as the training has value and the trainees walk away with new or improved skills, I believe it would mean success.
Yep. The operative question is how to go about it.

I wouldn't recommend using AirSoft for FoF training without without skilled role players and instructors and observers who know how to set things up realistically, train, and provide meaningful after action reports.

Without all of that it's just playing.
 
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