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I wanted to start this thread so I didn't hijack a similar thread currently running that had a more specific aim. Over the years I've shot over 100 whitetail with bullets ranging anywhere from ballistic tips, to accubonds, fail safes, partitions, silver tips, all kids of stuff.

I shoot a Rem 7mm Mag, and I'm mostly shooting southern whitetail that range in weight from 90 lb doe, to 250 lb + bucks. I'd say the average weight of the deer killed is in the 120 to 130 lb range. Most of my shots are double lung, but there are a few neck shots and shoulder shots as well depending on what was presented. Shot distances range from 5 yards to 300 yards, with an average range probably falling in the 120 to 150 range.

The Ballistic Tips basically come apart before they have a chance to exit. Many times I'd find what I'd refer to as a "base plate" under the skin on the far side; just a small tab of thin metal was all that remained. It had shed so much weight it no longer had the momentum to push through the hide, and there was hardly an identifiable piece remaining. They turn the lungs to jelly and leave a trail of small lead fragments wherever they go as the core strips apart. To me that's not a negative, every one of those deer piled up dead, generally within 40 yards of where they stood when shot. It's effective, but doesn't always leave a strong blood trail. The blood you do get tends to come from the blood spraying and dripping from the mouth, more than from the entry hole.

If you're a fan of a strong blood trail, or if you prefer shoulder shots, it's probably not the bullet for you. The shoulders will have severe trauma and metal fragments in them when hit with that bullet. Shoulders are generally covered with a frothy bloody mix that has the consistency of mucus, and it's a real mess.

The other bullets all did like they were advertised. They'd mushroom, with the core stripping away, but that stopped when it peeled back to the partition. Much of that is evident in the pics below.

I even dug a solid copper 50 cal slug out of the mud one day to see how it fared. It looked exactly like in the advertisements. It was just a beautiful sight with the petals all bent back perfectly. I once pulled the lungs from a buck that I'd shot with that very 50 cal bullet and I found the most perfectly concentric circular hole I've ever seen in a gunshot wound. It look as if someone had taken a cookie cutter and just cut a circle out.

Of the 7 mag bullets I recovered (partitions, fail safes, etc) the average weight retention was just over 30%. This doesn't include the Ballistic Tips because I never recovered enough to weigh them.

Below is a link to an album of pics from some of those old bullets. I already have the pics loaded there, and it's just easier to link to it than to upload them all here.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/145495019@N02/albums/72157676235475225/with/30190234943/

So there you have it, some recovered bullet pics. Post 'em if you got 'em.
 
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I shoot 3rd rib from diaphragm just bit low lung with SPs and they never run more than 10 yards. Most just hump up, maybe spin or just fall down. Have made shots up to 350 yards. Only bullets that did not go completely through were 30 yards or less. That close the impact energy provides max expansion on impact. Find them mushroomed just under skin on far side.
 
I also use a .45-70 occasionally. That is a big, slow bullet, and it performs dramatically different from the high speed rifles. I shot a doe, double lung, at a distance of roughly 50 yards one time. The bullet passed through and I was stunned by the amount of blood that immediately gushed forth from that wound. I could see it plain as day from my stand. It looked like a water hose had been turned on to let the blood out of her. Complete pass through, and a massive blood trail that went maybe 5 yards.

There are many ways to kill a critter, and a bewildering array of calibers and bullet types. The good news is that there are many great choices today, along with a high number of quality information sources to help you determine which tools will do the job well.

Another impressive performance I witnessed was with a .30-06 Nosler Partition. I shot an elk with it and that bullet pushed all the way through the critter to the far side. It too was found just under the skin on the far side. I was impressed that it was able to penetrate so far through a mature bull elk. I think this is the pic I took of that bullet.

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Another impressive performance I witnessed was with a .30-06 Nosler Partition. I shot an elk with it and that bullet pushed all the way through the critter to the far side. It too was found just under the skin on the far side. I was impressed that it was able to penetrate so far through a mature bull elk. I think this is the pic I took of that bullet.
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That expanded bullet doesn't look like a partition to me...

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I have never recovered a bullet in nearly 50 years oh deer hunting. I'll occasionally find bits of copper jackets when the shot breaks bone. But always through and through shots. That said, my shots have always been less than 100 yards, usually in the 30 to 50 yard range. So velocity is still high. Guessing folks that hunt where long range shots or large animals like elk and moose are the norm will have a better chance at recovering bullets.

Looking forward to following this thread!
 
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I also use a .45-70 occasionally. That is a big, slow bullet, and it performs dramatically different from the high speed rifles. I shot a doe, double lung, at a distance of roughly 50 yards one time. The bullet passed through and I was stunned by the amount of blood that immediately gushed forth from that wound. I could see it plain as day from my stand. It looked like a water hose had been turned on to let the blood out of her. Complete pass through, and a massive blood trail that went maybe 5 yards.

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Agreed.

I have a .458 SOCOM (purpose built for Feral Hogs) and it is the pretty much a ballistic twin of the .45/70 (mid level loads). Of course, uses the same bullet diameter, weights, etc....

Honesty....had I known how effective heavy, big bore, medium velocity bullets could be on game....I would have had something along those lines years ago.

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In the 50+ years I have been deer hunting and the skinning and processing of most of those deer taken in that time, I too, have recovered very few bullets. Lately, within the last few years of using handguns for my primary weapon for deer, I have recovered only from .357 revolvers, nuttin' in the form of .44 mag or the .460. This tells me, for the most part, whatever I was using at the time....worked, or else there would not have been a dead deer. On those deer not recovered, I could assume maybe it might have been bullet failure, but how could I say? For the most part, whether it be factory ammo or my own reloads, I have always used standard, popular cup and core bullets from reputable manufacturers. But then I hunt in areas where any deer giving me a decent shot is going to be well within 200 yards, and for the most part, well within 100. Helped a neighbor trail a deer his 12 year old son shot with a .223 and ran across our property. The neighbor kept blaming "the little gun" for the small amount of blood we found in the 200 yards it took to find it. Thankfully we still had enough snow to follow the deer and recover it. On the way back with the deer, the boy wanted to stop and look for his spent case, as it was his first deer. Turned out to a steel case from cheap FMJs he practiced with. Apparently they were still in the magazine from sight-in.
 
I have recovered several bullets over the years, when I moved out here to Washington state i lost them.
This year is the first year that I used exclusivly hand loaded ammunition.
I recovered one bullet out of the five deer that I shot this season. It was an 87 grain Hornady FBSP over 42.8 grains of 4831. What I found weighed 41.5 grains. I mailed a box back from New York with the bullet in it, I can take a picture of it when it get in. It hit a rib on the left side done a lot of damage to the heart and hit a rib on it's left side and had an exit wound. So a little more then half the bullet exited the animal.
 
I like the thread, too! Bullet performance has become a topic of interest for me based on a few factors and experiences and the bullet itself remains as the only tangible thing directly involved in the repeatable, efficient, quick, and most humane killing of an animal. Rifles, optics, cases, powders, primers, practice, etc all serve necessary but supporting roles in delivering the projectile on target but once the bullet leaves the muzzle, all factors involved are out of our control. I expect a lot from a bullet since I can’t predict the range to target, the shot presentation, etc. I might get a second to decide if I can punch a bullet through a front shoulder of a 1000 lbs Roosevelt bull at 25 yards or launch a 350 yard shot across a clear cut at a 130 lbs blacktail wondering if the same projectile will open up adequately to be rapidly fatal. I like the idea of being confident in both scenarios but realize it’s a tall order. These reports are informative and interesting. Thanks for starting the thread, gspn, and for sharing your experiences, folks.
 
Like others, I've yet to recover a bullet from a deer, chamois or boar, probably a little over 50 animals. I did find pieces of an early .270 Nosler BT that had impacted a buck's shoulder at about 35 yards, but even the majority of that bullet passed through after screwing up quite a bit of meat.

The only bullets I've ever recovered were from a 5x4 bull using a .350Rem at about 225 yards broadside in WA state. I couldn't get Nosler Partitions in time for load development for the hunt, so I went with Sierra GK 225s. The Sierra's (2 of them), penetrated the ribs, punch through lungs, one nicked the heart. Both settled on the offside, just under the hide and had mushroomed nicely. Group was about the size of a coffee cup saucer. Probably didn't need the 2nd shot, but the bull showed no indication of being hit, just started walking. At the 2nd hit, he started running, made it about another 15 yards (up the freaking hill) and fell over.
 
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That what I like in bullet funtion, a nice mushroomed bullet that stays with in the animal and stays with in the hide on the other side of the animal.
My theory being the animal recieves a greater amount of shock by taking all of the velocity by stopping the bullet with in the body.
I would love to find that combination for my 243 on Whitetails.
Congrats on your WA.State elk bull. Can you post a picture of the mount?

I like this thread, lots of good theories and some interesting reads.
 
Haven't recovered a bullet yet. Over 20 years ago I did once recover a Winchester 2 & 3/4" Foster style shotgun slug after it went completely through a large doe that was broadside to me no more than 20 yards away. There was a foot of snow on the ground. I was on a slope overlooking a flat area so my shot was angled slightly downward. The deer went about 25 yards before it went down and I had to go over and give it a final shot. Walking back to my firing position to get my gear I studied the deer tracks in the snow where it was when I fired. There was a spray of blood on one side that told me the slug exited. Then I saw a long straight line in the snow 10 feet away. It lined up perfectly with my firing position ! I couldn't believe it. Went over to the line and it got deeper in the snow after a few feet and became a small tunnel. Put my bare hand into the snow and followed that tunnel with my finger and pulled up that slug. How often does something like that occur ? Still have that slug, of course, and also have pictures of it with an unfired slug for comparison. I think they've been posted on THR a couple years ago in a similar thread but here they are again. Some day I'm hoping to add a recovered rifle bullet to the collection. IMG_1972.JPG IMG_1969.JPG .
 
Went over to the line and it got deeper in the snow after a few feet and became a small tunnel. Put my bare hand into the snow and followed that tunnel with my finger and pulled up that slug. How often does something like that occur ? Still have that slug, of course, and also have pictures of it with an unfired slug for comparison.

Snow stops a bullet much quicker than most folks realize. Few years back, I and some friends set up some cans on a snow bank (in front of a dirt berm) and come spring there was a pile of bullets laying where the snow bank was. Except for the rifling marks, the bullets were virtually undamaged.
 
I wish I had noted the distance that slug went through snow. It was probably close to 5 feet and that was after mushrooming and passing through a deer so the velocity was somewhat lessened. Got this story down on paper with some other memorable hunting experiences so I dug it out. It was Saturday Nov. 22nd, 1997 and I had written " a few feet", as the distance it went through snow. So my memory was correct on what was written. Should have measured it but I was so excited about recovering that slug that I never thought about it. Although I'm still kind of surprised it didn't go further. IIRC it was heavy, wet snow, which would create more resistance versus that light, fluffy, powder type snow. Glad that I've written up some of my more memorable hunts because all the details fade out after more than two decades.
 
I don't hunt anymore - too old and too much work. 43 deer down over the years. Only one bullet not recovered - a head shot on a bedded deer. The rest were perfectly mushroomed and against the hide on the far side of the chest cavity. I never thought to weigh any - they looked pretty much complete and the cores did not separate.
Two deer took a step after they were hit and they piled up within sight. Ranges from 15 yards to about 150 yards. All with the same rifle and load. 87 gr. Hornady FBSP handloaded to a little under 3100 fps at the muzzle in .243. I always hesitate to post this since most hunters want pass through and blood trail. I'm with one of the posters above - wanting all energy transferred to the target. I would probably have a different opinion if I'd ever had to track an animal. Probably good that I quit while I was ahead.
 
Great thread! Years ago I had to put down a good sized mule deer doe with my duty gun (Glock 22 .40). Since she was up and moving I shot her behind the shoulder. Recovered the bullet under the hide on the opposite side.

I felt very good about carrying the 180g Gold Dots after seeing how they preform.

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I have only recovered a few bullets, and never took pictures. Used the SST for awhile, and found many bits and fragments as you describe from the BT. The guys I used to hunt with long ago used mostly Rem Core lokt RN and FN bullets. Found a few of those. The 30-30 ones tended to be classic mushrooms, the 30-06 ones tended to be mostly bits and pieces with the jacket heel and a bit of lead left together on the far side.

The only 2 I've ever recovered from deer I personally shot, were a 150 Partition from a .300 Sav and a 160 Speer BTSP from my .280 Rem. The Partition was really surprising. Classic performance as advertised on a quartering lung shot into the far side shoulder. Bullet with about 60% remaining mass was lodged in the membrane between the hide and muscle. I was amazed it did not pass through on an averaged sized deer and this shot placement.

The Speer was an anomaly. Deer lunged forward and turned as I shot, and bullet impacted the hindquarter at a steeply quartering vector. Hit near dead center of the femur, sheared off about 10gr of the tip and folded the jacket closed. Deflected about 25 degrees and acted like a FMJ, following the seam between hide and abdominal wall around the abdomen and coming to rest under the skin in the far side "armpit". I think Oswald was using this bullet. It weighed almost 150 grains, and looked like you could cut the bent tip off and load it again.

All the other deer I have shot with the .280 Rem, mostly with the 145 Speer GS, .300 Sav and .308 Win with Speer and Hornady 150 SP and BTSP have been pass throughs with classic double sided blood trails or DRT on neck shots. Little evidence of fragmentation on these.
 
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