Congress reaches deal to fund gun violence research for first time in decades

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"The deal includes $12.5 million each for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Institutes of Health to study gun violence and ways to prevent it." You can't get any more anti-gun than these two organizations. Results of this study: Guns are to blame for "gun violence", get rid of guns and no more violence. They should give me the $25M.
 
George P said:
The CDC needs to stick to its core mission - disease control, finding cures for diseases and not meddling in gun control
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Anythings a disease if you declare it one.

They say alcoholism is a disease but a person who never drinks will never get it.

Now, can people be more susceptible to alcohol addiction, sure, but it doesn't make alcohol a disease.
 
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George Dickel said:
"The deal includes $12.5 million each for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and National Institutes of Health to study gun violence and ways to prevent it." You can't get any more anti-gun than these two organizations. Results of this study: Guns are to blame for "gun violence", get rid of guns and no more violence. They should give me the $25M.
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Yup... Might as well invite the AMA in there with those two groups.

"The fix is in!"

Todd.
 
The only research CDC or NIH should be doing is medical research, and the only medical component to gun violence is that which relates to any diagnosis of the individual pertinent to their compulsion to kill other human beings. The tool used is immaterial to such research. Part of the reason they were kept from performing such studies prior to this. We all know the data will be "sanitized" to produce the outcome desired by those funding the research. This is pure partisan BS.
 
Wierd according to fbi crime statistics 2019

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Though they tend to get less attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths.
In 2017, six-in-ten gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (23,854), while 37% were murders (14,542), according to the CDC. The remainder were unintentional (486), involved law enforcement (553) or had undetermined circumstances (338).
2017 population 325.7 million.
So firearms related murder of 14,542 out of a population of 325.7 million is what percent??

At about the 46 minute mark Mike gets into the statistics.
https://soundcloud.com/themichaeldu...good-news-on-impeachment-gun-qa-willie-waffle

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What is intersting is more people are killed in this nation with hands and feet than with firearms.
Where is the Study on that?
Because you cant regulate nor tax hand and feet as weapons.

According to the report 297 out of the 14,542 firearms murders were committed by Rifles of all types, 235 by Shotgun and 6600 by Handguns.


The real issue is a mental health problem rather than a firearms problem.

The crux of this is an attack on the 2nd Amendment.
They want to disarm you so you cant fight back.
Fear the Government that fears your guns.


Out of 325.7 million people, you stand a greater chance of winning the lottery than being injured (Not killed) in a mass shooting.
 
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It's interesting to me that suicide is such a problem for .gov

It's a tragic circumstance to be sure, but why shouldn't a free man have that choice? My guess is .gov cares so much because dead men pay no tax, rather than lofty ideals regarding the value of human life. If we cared about human life we'd have much bigger fish to fry than guns.
 
the government pretends to be concerned with suicide by gun rates yet does little to nothing to actually help military veterans and police officers who commit suicide at the rate of 22 every day. of course, aborting babies isn't even in the same building as concern for human life.
 
The only solution they are capable of finding is to take guns away from people that do not commit crimes and do nothing about the people that do commit crimes. Its like OSHA for criminals. In the end things just get worse.
 
Devil’s advocate, here. What if, some how, this comes to fruition and puts actual, measurable figures out there, with which we can actually intercede and reduce harm? What if it reveals a correlation somewhere that promotes intervention but does so without violating rights?
Here’s a fun idea, what if their research offers concrete evidence of all the stuff people say anecdotally on here? “An armed community is a safe community,” comes to mind.
I’m suspicious of about anything the government does, but I’ve often wished I had research to use when talking to people about this issue, and the fbi stuff is all we really have. If it’s objective, then frankly, I welcome it. I doubt it will be, but if it happens I hope to be surprised.

Also, speaking of me being surprised, I’m shocked this thread hasn’t been closed.
 
Rex in OTZ said:
What is intersting is more people are killed in this nation with hands and feet than with firearms.
Where is the Study on that?
Because you cant regulate nor tax hand and feet as weapons.
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What is the statistic on that and where did you find it? Thanks.
 
courtgreene said:
Devil’s advocate, here. What if, some how, this comes to fruition and puts actual, measurable figures out there, with which we can actually intercede and reduce harm? What if it reveals a correlation somewhere that promotes intervention but does so without violating rights?
Here’s a fun idea, what if their research offers concrete evidence of all the stuff people say anecdotally on here? “An armed community is a safe community,” comes to mind.
I’m suspicious of about anything the government does, but I’ve often wished I had research to use when talking to people about this issue, and the fbi stuff is all we really have. If it’s objective, then frankly, I welcome it. I doubt it will be, but if it happens I hope to be surprised.

Also, speaking of me being surprised, I’m shocked this thread hasn’t been closed.
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“What if” will get a thread closed pretty quickly. Let’s just see what the report says. We may be surprised. We may not. I would love to have IG Horowitz and his team do the investigation.
 
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The term "gun violence" by itself is misleading and an attempt to psychologically associate an inanimate object with "bad things". Criminals do bad things, guns do not.
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No, it's just a descriptive term to indicate what 'weapon' was used in the violence. For example, the term 'knife violence' indicates a knife was used. 'Run down' refers to the use of a motor vehicle, and so on.
 
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