What causes Glock kabooms?
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Well....maybe. Never say never.
Ive been constantly told that M1 Garands dont blow up or slam fire either, but I have a nice L shaped scar on my right hand and loss of hearing in my right ear from one that cut loose.
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I am not sure where some one could say that garands do not slam fire. When taking a course on NRA highpower shooting, we were given specific instructions on how to single load a garand to prevent slam fires. One needs to take care if using reloads relative to primer seating and using a harder primer is a good idea.Well....maybe. Never say never.
Ive been constantly told that M1 Garands dont blow up or slam fire either, but I have a nice L shaped scar on my right hand and loss of hearing in my right ear from one that cut loose.
The SKS is better known for slam fire and mostly due to not knowing how to single load it.
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and not cleaning the dried cosmoline out of the firing pin channel.
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My guess, In the last couple decades 2% were caused by ammo. The other 98% were caused by the interwebs.
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Actually, no. I recently bought a Glock large frame lower and I’m trying to figure out what direction to run with it. 10mm, 9x25 Dillon, maybe even .460 Rowland. Also considering whether I need to buy a factory slide, an aftermarket slide, factory barrel or aftermarket barrel. Determining what the weak point is that causes dangerous malfunction is key to understanding just how much the gun can take while maintaining a safety margin. So your comment as helpful as it wasn’t is just another trash statement made and presented in such manner as to appear like your just regurgitating internet lore which is what I was trying to avoid.
Kabooms were not really caused by weak points in the Glock design, per se, they were caused by a variety of things, often by more than just one single factor. There were, perhaps, some issues in the Glock design that contributed to the issue, for example, not much consideration by the design team for the idea that people would be reloading ammunition for them, but it's not like the problem was defective guns.
There have been some issues that Glock was concerned enough about to issue free upgrades, but none of those relate to concerns about blowing up guns.
The bottom line is that it's not something you need to worry about on a build like you're doing, although I would say that using quality parts is a very good idea regardless.
Also, if I were going to build up a Glock, I'd be tempted to do it in a caliber that is reasonably similar in momentum to the native caliber of the main components used in the pistol build.
There have been some issues that Glock was concerned enough about to issue free upgrades, but none of those relate to concerns about blowing up guns.
The bottom line is that it's not something you need to worry about on a build like you're doing, although I would say that using quality parts is a very good idea regardless.
Also, if I were going to build up a Glock, I'd be tempted to do it in a caliber that is reasonably similar in momentum to the native caliber of the main components used in the pistol build.
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This gentleman didn’t get to the age he is on accident, fully agree with your statement above.
Personally, if I need more power in a handgun than 10mm can dish out its going to be a revolver. I wouldn’t push the envelope on building up a hot rod Glock to beat the 10mm but that’s me.
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I took an SKS rifle that was clean. Instead of putting the round into the magazine and I placed it directly into the chamber. From the fully retracted position I allowed the bolt to slam forward over the chamber round. There was a quite noticeable indentation on the primer. A more sensitive commercial boxer primer might have gone off from that blow and some military ammo might occasionally go off.
In any semiauto rifle (assume it fires from a closed bolt), if you single load a round into the chamber, you release bolt from a point just far enough for the extractor to ride over the cartridge. This is especially true for a free floating firing pin. I am getting on rabbit trial here.
The glock striker is not floating and if the trigger is not pulled, it is blocked from going forward.
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I have a Gen2 G22 that has had thousands of rounds fired through it. No problems ever.
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poor quality and over charged reloads, is major factor in most gun kabooms and cant be ignored as a direct cause.
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I personally had a G32 in .357 sig Kaboom on me. It was a metallurgical problem with Gen 1&2 sidewalls that would crack and if not caught eventually Kaboom, within 500 rounds. Happened to me on one I bought second hand around the fifth or sixth box I was putting through it. Hurt like hell.
Kind of how the world seems more dangerous now that it truly is because news travels fast?
The first and only gun I've blown up was a Llama. Pre internet, pre everyone with a camera in their pocket, etc.
Over the years I have seen a lot of kabooms in competition covering a lot of different guns.
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Glocks are plastic junk ! Period , I have seen a 45 cal split almost in half at a gun store in New Hampshire , and a buddy’s 9 mm cracked , stay away from plastic junk
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Anything can blow up, it's not just Glocks and it can happen in any caliber, period.
Yes...even all steel guns blow up.
There has always been talk of Glock .40 kabooms early on and I think the main reasons were 1. earlier .40's did have more loose chambers than they do today 2. bullet setback in addition to loose chambers, 3. some bad brass being used (not intentionally weak, sometimes brass gets brittle) and 4. possibly an overloaded round from the factory. All these together could spell trouble. Even to this day many think the .40 is unsafe, but it's no less safe than anything else. Nothing is immune from it, I've even had a gun blow up on me (Ruger blackhawk) and several case-head separations.
Yes...even all steel guns blow up.
There has always been talk of Glock .40 kabooms early on and I think the main reasons were 1. earlier .40's did have more loose chambers than they do today 2. bullet setback in addition to loose chambers, 3. some bad brass being used (not intentionally weak, sometimes brass gets brittle) and 4. possibly an overloaded round from the factory. All these together could spell trouble. Even to this day many think the .40 is unsafe, but it's no less safe than anything else. Nothing is immune from it, I've even had a gun blow up on me (Ruger blackhawk) and several case-head separations.
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Yeah, whatever.
Probably the world's #1 selling law enforcement and military duty pistol is nothing but "plastic junk?"
Logic is pretty neat. You should try it some time.
And the part of guns that either "blows up" or doesn't is steel even in Glocks. Guns don't generally "blow up" because of the frame. They "blow up" because of the barrel and/or the slide. Those are the parts that contain the pressure.
Now, if the barrel fails or the brass blows out where the barrel wasn't, it's certainly nice to have a steel frame between your hands and the venting gasses. Risk of injury is probably a bit higher with a polymer frame, and certainly the risk that the frame itself will be ruined by a case blowout is higher with a plastic frame.
But guns don't "blow up" because of a frame, whether steel or plastic or dried chewing gum.
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My friend's 1911 slide broke in half. Yup, there was a front half and a rear half. Does that means 1911s are junk? Not hardly.
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I have no proof of this other than 40+ years of reloading and knowing what material (steel, polymer, etc.) will stand…I’m a mechanical designer and have been in the manufacturing business for the last 35 years, so take this for what it’s worth. I’ve loaded north of million rounds since I started (rifle, pistol and shotgun) and have NEVER had a gun go tits up on me…loaded some 40 S&W too light one time that wouldn’t function in a Sig 229, but that’s another story. To answer your question…it’s not the gun, it’s the retards loading a cartridge to a speed/pressure neither the gun nor casing was designed to contain. Once the ignition starts and pressure builds to the breaking point, the gas will only follow the path of least resistance.
The Police Academy has one time to time. They tell me they are usually caused by the ammo. Excess powder in a round. Usually blows out the magazine, damages the barrel and cracks the slide. New barrel and slide and a few internal parts and they are back in business.
Will be interesting to see if the new G45 has as many as their G22.
Did the OP ever get back with us to give his hidden reason for his question? ( I may have missed it.)
I am curious of his point of view.
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