VCDL Lobby Day - Jan 20

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You can be part of something historic!

Look at the VCDL calendar showing local votes opposing the state threats of 2A infringements = https://www.vcdl.org/events
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If you can't go help pay for others to go.


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1. VCDL BUS CHARTERS TO LOBBY DAY
VCDL is chartering buses to Lobby Day on January 20. All seats are $35. All depart Richmond at 2 PM. Sign up through Eventbrite; all signups are now live (as of Dec 12).

A donation of $35/person will *just* cover costs for the nine buses. If you want to donate more, please do. If you want to buy seats for others, please do. If you prefer to make a donation via PayPal (see vcdl.org/donate/pp) you may do so, but you will still need your Eventbrite ticket if you wish to ride the bus..

To donate a seat for another rider, use this link: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/donate-a-seat-on-a-bus-for-lobby-day-jan-20-2020-tickets-85874911171

If you want to pay by check, mail it to VCDL Treasurer, 19390 Beaver Dam Rd, Beaverdam, VA 23015-1350 - but you'll still need your Eventbrite ticket if you wish to ride.

Direct questions, if any, to [email protected]

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Donate to VCDL to help in their effort to show VA Antis that they may have won the election, but they don't have a mandate.

https://www.vcdl.org/Donate
 

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I'm going with a friend and his FFL friend. I know of two people in my office that are going.

I'll be wearing my VCDL black polo shirt. I'll look decent and push the site at the same time. ;)
 
If you live in VA or work in VA and simply can not go on the 20th at least write to the relevant legislator. Here's the link to the "Who's my legislator" site. https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/

Briefly, and politely -

Even though I dearly wanted to, I can not attend the January 20 Lobby Day in Richmond so I write to you today so you know that I fully oppose any proposed legislation such as SB 16 to further restrict my right as a law abiding citizen to own or carry firearms. Enforce the existing laws and leave those of us that live and work in Virginia free of any further restriction.

If you oppose further restrictions upon the law abiding gun owning visitors and voters of Virginia you will have my support. If you support further restrictions on law abiding gun owners I will donate time and money to ensure someone who opposes such restrictions takes your seat.

Respectfully,


XXX OOO
 
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While I fully support your attempt for a Rally on Jan 20th, and hope as many people as possible show up. I also do understand & believe we do have to have the Rally to show we tried, as well as to show those in Washington DC and the rest of us in the country that your serious and mean business. So having the Rally is a requirement.

So I send my support and pray for the highest turnout as well as a positive outcome for the rally to show not only Virginia, but the rest of the country how important our 2A rights are to our country.

However...

The truth of the matter is the Governor doesn’t give a rats ass, nor do the Democrats in Congress, nor does the VA AG.

Don’t think or believe for one minute you will change their minds to passing those bills.

They don’t care what you think or believe. Period!

They will pass those bills. I guarantee you they will. I wish and hope they wouldn’t and won’t, but they will.

The only thing that will stop them is SCOTUS

OR

When we have to defend ourselves when they start illegally enforcing these laws before SCOTUS has made their decision.

As the AG said, he isn’t recognizing 2A status of the counties and cities.
They will without a doubt enforce, and won’t care about a counties or cities 2A status.

So I really hope you have a Plan B in the works.
 
Don’t think or believe for one minute you will change [VA law makers'] minds to passing those bills.

They don’t care what you think or believe. Period!

They will pass those bills. I guarantee you they will. I wish and hope they wouldn’t and won’t, but they will.
  • VA lost the general assembly only by 5000 votes and VA general assembly could swing back on the next election
  • Law makers can be recalled and petition drive has already started
  • If newly elected law makers want to be re-elected, they WILL listen to the voice of the voters - Voters can remind the law makers their job is to represent the voters' wishes not push law makers' agenda different from voters
  • If newly elected law makers are swayed by the expressed sentiment of the voters on lobby days, they could vote against the bills
  • Some law makers are saying they won't show up due to increasing concerns and if there isn't enough law makers present to form a quorum, bills can't be voted on to become laws. Earlier this year in Oregon, some law makers went into hiding and did not show up to capitol to vote on climate bill ... and without enough law makers to form a quorum, bill died - https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...regon-to-avoid-voting-on-high-profile-climate
  • Yes, Plan B is to vote out the anti gun/2A law makers unless recall petition drive remove them first
The only thing that will stop them is SCOTUS
No, state supreme court or federal courts can rule these laws unconstitutional.

And law makers can pass new laws to change past laws - Happens all the time, like new anti gun laws. ;)

Yes, anti gun laws HAVE been overturned by courts in many states and at federal level - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_firearm_court_cases_in_the_United_States
 
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  • VA lost the general assembly only by 5000 votes and VA general assembly could swing back on the next election
Yes it can, but you cant guarantee that either. It could stay the same.

  • Law makers can be recalled and petition drive has already started


  • Yes they can, but it is very difficult to do so when you have so many Democrats in control.

    [*]If newly elected law makers want to be re-elected, they WILL listen to the voice of the voters - Voters can remind the law makers their job is to represent the voters' wishes not push law makers' agenda different from voters

    Only if they believe there is a chance they wont win. Beto spouts off his anti-gun stuff all the time but his Democrat controlled district keeps reelecting him.

    [*]If newly elected law makers are swayed by the expressed sentiment of the voters on lobby days, they could vote against the bills

    However very few Democrats are sadly. and again they dont really care.

    [*]Some law makers are saying they won't show up due to increasing concerns and if there isn't enough law makers present to form a quorum, bills can't be voted on to become laws. Earlier this year in Oregon, some law makers went into hiding and did not show up to capitol to vote on climate bill ... and without enough law makers to form a quorum, bill died - https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...regon-to-avoid-voting-on-high-profile-climate

    But will enough of them do so? I will believe it when i see it.

    [*]Yes, Plan B is to vote out the anti gun/2A law makers unless recall petition drive remove them first

    i wish it were that easy, but it isnt or they wouldnt have been voted into office in the first place.

    No, state supreme court or federal courts can rule these laws unconstitutional.
  • Yes that is true, but anything less then SCOTUS can be appealed. The ONLY court that is final is SCOTUS. They can change the ruling of a lower court or uphold it. They can deny to hear a case as well, which just really upholds the lower courts ruling. We are lucky that they are reviewing the NYC case. Hopefully they will find in our favor.
And law makers can pass new laws to change past laws - Happens all the time, like new anti gun laws. ;)

Yes they can be overturned, yes in many states we are moving in the right direction. just this year we had 5 states pass constitutional carry and become permitless states.

However we have failed to make any advances in those high liberal states of California, New York, and a few others. In fact things have only gotten worse in those states.

Like i said we have to have peaceful rallies and demonstrations or anti-gunners will think we are just thugs. But unless there are enough of us, they still do what they want. Even the republicans are that way on many other issues.

I am saying a time is coming that simply protesting wont be enough and we will find ourselves with the 2A repealed unless we take a more firmer stance.
 
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Texasgrillchef

I'm knee deep in the situation and boots on the ground in the struggle. This isn't going to the supreme court. Our plan of action is simple
Lobby day meetings with reps and present signature petitions from those not able to attend.
Targeting certain districts and supporting sympathetic candidates
Gathering as much money for VCL as we can.
Urging all friends, family and contacts to write, call and email their senators and reps and vote!
Support only 2A friendly candidates in the future.
 
The NRA is planning a rally at the state capitol on Jan. 13, exactly a week before the VCDL event. Does this rival event represent a dilution of efforts? It seems like one would cut into the attendance at the other.
 
FYI - only, no advocacy, just reporting.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20191223/defend-freedom-join-us-january-13th

It’s Time to Stand and Fight!
Gun bans, gun rationing, confiscation – it’s all on the table when the new bought and paid for majority of the Virginia General Assembly fast tracks their anti-gun agenda in January. They will gladly cast your right of self-defense aside as they try to check off every gun control scheme on Michael Bloomberg’s wish-list.

This fight begins on January 13th during the first hearing of the Senate Courts of Justice Committee, and we must hold tyranny in check. While it is important for Virginia gun owners to make their voices heard at all times, it is critical on this first day.

The pace of this session will be like none we have seen in recent history. Waiting even one week to visit the Capitol, whether on your own or at an organized event will be too late. It is time to stand with your fellow NRA members and urge the committee to block the Bloomberg – Northam gun ban. Together, we will defend our freedom.

January 13, 2020, starting 8AM
Virginia State Capitol
1000 Bank St.
Richmond, VA 23218


NRA staff will be on site with giveaways, including an emergency airdrop from Magpul.
 
I had heard that.
That is a blatant attempt to cause hate and discontent. Look hard enough and there is probably some dirty money and Democratic strategists behind it.
Me and my group are not going but we await instructions from VCDL
 
Not to stir up trouble, not my intention at all but NRA says Magpul is donating 1000 Pmags to give to attendees.

Again, just for info, I am not the greatest NRA fan.
 
That is a blatant attempt to cause hate and discontent.

I'm not sure about that Doc. Consider that others have commented that the 20th may be too late if the Antis come out of the gate on the opening session on the second Tuesday of Jan. 2020 with a coordinated effort passing legislation to rob the people of VA of their rights. We already know the Governor will sign any Anti legislation that gets passed. Considering how much damage can be done between the 14th and the 20th before the traditional VCDL Lobby Day we should be asking if VCDL has a plan to help delay any done deal legislation before the rally so it isn't thousands of people attending a wake for their rights.
 
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The NRA needs to clear the field for VCDL and provide whatever support to them that they can instead of trying to cut in "on the action".
That would just help the cause of freedom though, not make money for the NRA. :scrutiny:
 
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bearcreek,

NRA has become a trigger for Anti media. When there's no strong state organization the NRA fills a role that no one else is filling in the state. When there is a strong state 2a organization, national organizations can muddy the water if they "compete" with the state organization and actually detract from the work within the state.
 
When there is a strong state 2a organization, national organizations can muddy the water if they "compete" with the state organization and actually detract from the work within the state.
I know, I was talking about the NRA. Rereading my post I see how that may not have been clear so I edited it.
 
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Everyone that lives or works in VA should find out who their legislators are before the session and should be politely texting and emailing and writing them saying that you do not support any additional restrictions on firearms owners. Keep it just that short.

"As a constituent I do not support any legislation making additional restrictions for firearms owners."
"As someone that works in Virginia I do not support any legislation making additional restrictions for firearms owners."
"As someone with family in Virginia I do not support any legislation making additional restrictions for firearms owners."​

If you can find a way to meet with them and give them this message before the first session you should. If you can do it more than once, try. Making sure they get this message before the second Tuesday in January sets in their minds what the opposition is to added restrictions on gun-owners.

It is important for you to know their name and use it. "Honorable XYZ" (even if you don't consider them honorable).

If you can show up at VCDL Lobby Day you should. If you can show up at the NRA rally also you should (best if that's not a flop). If you can only make one, make the VCDL on the 20th.
 
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This, very much this. Respect is everything.. You can disagree respectfully.. but if you come off as combative.. you end up getting ignored. This is a battle of hearts and minds as much as it is a struggle to keep our firearms.

If you live in VA or work in VA and simply can not go on the 20th at least write to the relevant legislator. Here's the link to the "Who's my legislator" site. https://whosmy.virginiageneralassembly.gov/

Briefly, and politely -

Even though I dearly wanted to, I can not attend the January 20 Lobby Day in Richmond so I write to you today so you know that I fully oppose any proposed legislation such as SB 16 to further restrict my right as a law abiding citizen to own or carry firearms. Enforce the existing laws and leave those of us that live and work in Virginia free of any further restriction.

If you oppose further restrictions upon the law abiding gun owning visitors and voters of Virginia you will have my support. If you support further restrictions on law abiding gun owners I will donate time and money to ensure someone who opposes such restrictions takes your seat.

Respectfully,


XXX OOO
 
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