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I’ll throw another curve ball....Walther P99AS. Da/sa Striker -fired....about 23 oz...15+1...Glock 19 sized. Bud’s for less than $500.

@Old Dog .... my post sounded really defensive. I didn’t intend that. Cheers!
 
I’ll throw another curve ball....Walther P99AS. Da/sa Striker -fired....about 23 oz...15+1...Glock 19 sized. Bud’s for less than $500.

@Old Dog .... my post sounded really defensive. I didn’t intend that. Cheers!
Shoot-Straight had the subcompact in 9mm for $300, but sold out before I heard about the deal. They still have 40s on sale at that price... I'll probably pick one up anyway, but would be nice to get a 9mm for the same price... I've heard nothing but great things about the P99AS, and think Walther is stupid for not keeping in production... Not sure I could bring myself to pay around 5 bills for one though...
 
At least it's not "Get a Glock."

Since the op did say he considered the 19. I say get a Glock. Although I like full size for duty and 26 or 27 for carry. But anyway......here is the specific two sizes
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Width, the 229 is a decent bit wider but not as much without the hogue grips
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Find and shoot all 3. Then decide
 
If that's the case find a 229 with the E2 grip.
No need for the double stack, the Sig 239 fit me perfectly and now that the 239 is no longer in production the 225 A-1 fits just as nicely as my old 239. And as the guy in the church in Texas proved recently, if your skills are up to par you only need one shot. Besides, double stack gun means double stack spare mags, that's just more bulk to hide.
 
Here are some weights and measurements taken from my Beretta 92FS and SIG P229 9mm if they are of any help. These are with an empty magazine in each. I should mention that my Beretta 92FS has Wilson Combat VZ G10 grips (but not the ultra-thin model) which are a bit less thick than the standard Beretta 92FS polymer grips, and my SIG has G10 Piranha grips which I believe are roughly the same thickness as the stock SIG P229 polymer grips. The SIG E2 monogrip is slightly thinner.

Beretta 92 FS: weight with empty magazine 2 lb 4.5 ounces. Slide width 1.13". Width at widest point of grip 1.38". Widest point of pistol is at slide catch lever 1.43". Length 8.5". Sight radius 6.25". Height 5.5".

P229 9mm: weight with empty magazine 1 lb 14.9 ounces. Slide width 1.03". Width at widest point of grip 1.33". Widest point of pistol at decocker lever 1.45". Length 7.0". Sight radius 5.75". Height 5.31".

Except for the maximum width of the pistols at the control lever locations, for which the SIG is very slightly thicker, the SIG P229 is significantly shorter and less tall and a little thinner in the slide and grip. It is noticeably lighter.

If you are used to carrying the Beretta 92FS carrying the SIG P229 should pose no problem, but it is still a pretty substantial pistol. The Beretta 92FS and the SIG P229 are my favorite two all metal, hammer-fired, DA/SA pistols. Of the two I have a slight preference for the SIG P229.
 
I ordered a german red box P229r e2 yesterday for $450, I didn't realize I ordered the railed version until afterwards.

Didn't realize the sight line was that much higher, I have big hands and should make it easier for me to get on target.

Does the rail interfere with IWB holster draw vs the non-rail? Didn't notice it on my beretta with the rail but the sig looks blockier, if that's a word.
 
I ordered a german red box P229r e2 yesterday for $450, I didn't realize I ordered the railed version until afterwards.

Didn't realize the sight line was that much higher, I have big hands and should make it easier for me to get on target.

Does the rail interfere with IWB holster draw vs the non-rail? Didn't notice it on my beretta with the rail but the sig looks blockier, if that's a word.
I don’t think you’d notice any difference in draw with rail vs no rail. Let us know how you like it.
 
I'm very fond of my DA/SA Springfield XDe.

Since its a single stack its thin for IWB carry but still has 9+1 capacity with the extended mag.
 
Also the only one still in production on that list since I read they are dropping the 225 in 2020.

As noted also worth checking that are roughly Glock 19 (though the 229 is closer to the 45 or 19x) size, DA/SA are the CZ compacts, 75 Compact, P01, PCR

Also worth looking at are lighter options, the CZ P-07 (almost exactly G19 size) and the Beretta PX4 Compact and some HK options.

Personally for a DA/SA carry option I like the P07 and PX4.

They have not made a "real" P225 for a long time. The current P225A1 is a P239 in sheep's clothing. It makes sense with the P239 being discontinued they would discontinue the P225A1.

To the OP CZs make very good carry guns. I used to carry a P01. It is solid but a little wide. The CZ PCR might be a better choice.

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They only DA/SA I carry these days is a Swiss Sphinx SDP Subcompact. It is based on the CZ platform but with better overall machining and build quality. The subcompact is discontinued but the compact is still available. They are exceptionally built.

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There is a factory new CZ PCR now on Gunbroker for $500 (plus ship & FFL).

As already stated, some of you might not realize this: the original —German—Sig P225 is not interchangeable with the US-made 225 A1.
Notice that the US-made 225 has a bright disk in the Center of each grip panel.
 
My Sig P229 is closer to "compact" size than "full size", barely. It's smaller than the Model 92, but it's definitely not a small pistol.

On the other hand, it's also one of my favorites. The trigger is excellent. The fit and finish are excellent. I shoot it well.

And I got it as a police trade-in for less than $300! :)
 
They have not made a "real" P225 for a long time. The current P225A1 is a P239 in sheep's clothing. It makes sense with the P239 being discontinued they would discontinue the P225A1

Yep, I had a P6 years back. I don't quite regret selling it as my friend needed it more than I, but I do regret not picking up a pristine condition one for a song a few years later.

I got excited when Sig "brought the 225 back" until I held one, abomination.

Shot fine I guess, though it refused to shoot my 147 grain hand loads, but a 225/P6 it was not. Gussied up 239 is correct.
 
Just got it in the mail this morning.

For a CPO/Used, you’d be hard pressed to convince me this isn’t a new pistol.

It feels like it is just the right size, can be open carried or fit my IWB easily, and is noticeably smaller, at least for me compared to my Girsan and 92FS. There is a bit more take up in SA then I am used to, but feels like it is better quality.

Had to cut down some 10mm and load up some gold dots. Still waiting on my brass order.

Ordered some hogue grips, these grips feel too plasticy

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There is a bit more take up in SA then I am used to, but feels like it is better quality.

There's a Short Reset Trigger kit available, which is a drop-in part. It's not actually a trigger, just a part. I have them in most of my Sigs.

And congrats on the "new" pistol! I've got Hogue G10 micarta grips on mine. I'm not down with the plasticy feel either.
 
There's a Short Reset Trigger kit available, which is a drop-in part. It's not actually a trigger, just a part. I have them in most of my Sigs.

And congrats on the "new" pistol! I've got Hogue G10 micarta grips on mine. I'm not down with the plasticy feel either.

After I got my first Sig with the SRT, it became manditory for me, it's that much of a difference for me.
 
Ordered some hogue grips, these grips feel too plasticy

Order screws too. And hope your frame has screw holes. Some of the E2 guns didnt. I hated the E2 grips as well

My cpo guns also looked brand new. Not even any wear on the barrel finish which is there after 1 mag.
 
I traded my CZ pcr for a Sig p229. Despite similar specs I would say the pcr actually feels much smaller and handier than the p229, particularly in the grip area. You can buy thinner grip panels for the cz which will put it into another category entirely. I love the ergonomics of the cz pcr and intended to carry it but just never bonded with it. Just as I was debating sending it off for some custom work I had the opportunity to turn it into a Sig, which I had never owned before, and wanted to try that instead. I particularly liked that the pcr did not have a rail like the p01 or my p229, although sigs can come with or without. My own Sig p229 has a rail and it feels so much bigger and heavier that it would be impossible for me to carry comfortably and I have absolutely no intentions of ever doing so. The pcr would carry much better in my opinion.

A single stack da/sa option for you may be the Springfield Armory XD-E.
 
I would say the pcr actually feels much smaller and handier than the p229, particularly in the grip area.

The 229 pictured above is an e2. Just look for grip screws to tell. They feel too small IMO. I actually prefer the normal 229 grip over the smaller E2. Luckily any 229 can use standard grips, most only need the grip and screws (I've heard some didnt have the holes tapped but mine did). To put the E2 on a Non-E2 you have to change the hammer spring strut and spring I believe. I'd give my E2 grip to someone who wanted to try it but it's just as cheap to buy the kit as to buy the spring and perch separately. I'm glad everyone has options and gets to carry what they want, but the 229 or similar is just too big and heavy for what they are IMO for carry. I use mine for a range toy mostly.
 
The 229 pictured above is an e2. Just look for grip screws to tell. They feel too small IMO. I actually prefer the normal 229 grip over the smaller E2. Luckily any 229 can use standard grips, most only need the grip and screws (I've heard some didnt have the holes tapped but mine did). To put the E2 on a Non-E2 you have to change the hammer spring strut and spring I believe. I'd give my E2 grip to someone who wanted to try it but it's just as cheap to buy the kit as to buy the spring and perch separately. I'm glad everyone has options and gets to carry what they want, but the 229 or similar is just too big and heavy for what they are IMO for carry. I use mine for a range toy mostly.

Thank you, I am not normally a Sig guy and really don't know all the variations. What I have is a Sig P229 Scorpion Elite. It has the rail and a beaver tail and the factory grips for that model, but I don't know if that is the standard sized grip. Sigs have always felt a bit large for my hands, particularly the polymer models. Compact is not the word that comes to mind when shooting this gun.
 
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but I don't know if that is the standard sized grip

If it has grip screws it's the big grips. The E2 grip was much smaller and clips on. No screw. The E2 was the answer to people calling the 229 fat. I know very few who actually liked the E2 though. I think I read that they are no longer made but that could be wrong.
 
If it has grip screws it's the big grips. The E2 grip was much smaller and clips on. No screw. The E2 was the answer to people calling the 229 fat. I know very few who actually liked the E2 though. I think I read that they are no longer made but that could be wrong.

My wife really liked my 229 with the E2. She still harasses me occasionally for trading away "her favorite" gun, but she hasn't shot the DW Valkyrie CCO I traded the Sig for, or the Legion 226 so I'm not so sure she's got an argument :)

As for the CZ compact vs 229, I also felt they were much smaller until I shot and directly compared a 75 Compact to the 229, intending to buy a CZ and found they actually carried almost the exact same and we're remarkably similar in size. Ultimately I decided I liked the 229 w/srt trigger better and didn't buy the CZ.

Granted that was a basic 75 compact, not a PRC or anything.

The 229 carried really well for me, but was heavier than I prefer and didn't actually carry much better than the 226 Legion, which I shoot much better.
 
The 229 carried really well for me, but was heavier than I prefer and didn't actually carry much better than the 226 Legion, which I shoot much better.

That's exactly what I've said for years. My States Troopers carry the 229 and that's where I got the notion to buy one after shooting one. I also carry the 226 or 220 because it shoots considerably better than either of my 229s and the size and weight is so close. For ccw I carry a Glock 27 99 percent of the time though.
 
I prefer Glocks and M&Ps, and I don't care for transitional DA pistols at all. I was issued then M9 (92) and M11 (228) at different times in the mil. Of the 2, I think that the Sig is far superior.
 
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