VA Governor to Ban Guns at Rally

Good Ol' Boy said:

And if we're leaving it up to the media to have the final say than we never had a chance from the get go.

So we cant vote 'em out, have no say in the unconstitutional laws they ARE going to pass, the media is on their side and will paint this negative REGARDLESS of what happens and now we're supposed to show compliance by showing up unarmed.


There is a breaking point and this may very well be it. And the rest of the pro 2A country is watching.

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It's not about leaving it up to the media it is about having the outcome work for us or against us in the media. But your first part of your sentence, yes you can vote them out and yes unconstitutional laws can be overturned. The system has not broken down in the U.S.A yet, Americans in general are proud of the fact that we have peaceful elections (mostly) , have the right to protest and be heard peacefully, and have a system to address and overturn grievances. Someone starts shooting of rounds it is gonna project a impression that no gun owners do not respect that.

It is a breaking point, a breaking point to rally on and be seen as well as heard and portray a positive message

brewer12345 said:

Ideally the question never comes up. But a couple hundred police officers are not going to be able to bull around 20,000 uncooperative people, armed or not.

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They're not going to. Twenty officers are going to grab ONE armed person and take him into custody. If he resists, they are going to shoot (and then EVERYONE is going to leave.) Once they have one. They'll get another. Then another. Most of you guys are older than I am; do none of you remember the protests of the 60s? They'll have a transport van that they will fill up and haul away. They may arrest 50-60 or so throughout the day. Do YOU want to be one of those arrested? Do YOU want to get charged with felony resisting arrest?

Just so we're all clear here.

D.B. Cooper said:

They're not going to. Twenty officers are going to grab ONE armed person and take him into custody. If he resists, they are going to shoot (and then EVERYONE is going to leave.) Once they have one. They'll get another. Then another. Most of you guys are older than I am; do none of you remember the protests of the 60s? They'll have a transport van that they will fill up and haul away. They may arrest 50-60 or so throughout the day. Do YOU want to be one of those arrested? Do YOU want to get charged with felony resisting arrest?

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If the crowd is armed and the police start shooting, you can bet your bippy the gunfire will be going both ways. As I understand police tactics, they generally avoid that at all costs and instead depend on horses (a lot harder for the crowd to push a thousand pound horse than a policeman), riot gear, tear gas and pepper spray. If the crowd is really in the thousands, it is unlikely that the rest of the crowd would even know that 50 were arrested.

I really do hope this is a peaceful protest, that everyone goes home alive and well at the end of the day, and that if the gubmint is foolish enough to pass all this nonsense they either get it struck down in court or find the bulk of the state's landmass joining with WV. That said, I think everyone is spoiling for a fight (on both sides and across the country) and the governor is too dumb to realize that he is seriously at risk of making sparks around an open can of gasoline.

pert near said:

Some are saying that is exactly what the Democrats/socialists want to happen. Their resistance methods are to ultimately seed anarchy. The propaganda media would love it.

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Which is why I wouldn’t put it past the liberal extremists to insert an armed agitator into the crowd... make the opposition (us) suffer and also take the blame and give the media all the fodder they could wish for .
I know how to reign in my trigger finger; but I don’t think I would step into the courtyard in such a hot situation and be voluntarily disarmed.

D.B. Cooper said:

They're not going to. Twenty officers are going to grab ONE armed person and take him into custody. If he resists, they are going to shoot (and then EVERYONE is going to leave.) Once they have one. They'll get another. Then another. Most of you guys are older than I am; do none of you remember the protests of the 60s? They'll have a transport van that they will fill up and haul away. They may arrest 50-60 or so throughout the day. Do YOU want to be one of those arrested? Do YOU want to get charged with felony resisting arrest?

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In my opinion if that happened it would make us look like we are hostile toward everyday police, and it would make us look like we are not capable of having civil peaceful protests , in short it would give a huge amount of "ammo" for the anti's to say "see we were right".

Anyone remember after the Walmart massacre the guy who dressed up in gear and with a rifle stood outside a Walmart to "make a statement" . Was that statement positive or negative toward a lot of people, was it a thing in good taste or not, I say it was negative and not in good taste.

bluejeans said:

Which is why I wouldn’t put it past the liberal extremists to insert an armed agitator into the crowd... make the opposition (us) suffer and also take the blame and give the media all the fodder they could wish for .
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They already hate cops, (a generalization) and they already hate us gun owners. Will be a double win for them if cops get hurt, and gun owners get violent, average Joe and Jane American sees this unravel on TV will then decide not to support gun owners in the future and elections, and will probably start donating to anti gun groups.

lionking said:

It's not about leaving it up to the media it is about having the outcome work for us or against us in the media. But your first part of your sentence, yes you can vote them out and yes unconstitutional laws can be overturned. The system has not broken down in the U.S.A yet, Americans in general are proud of the fact that we have peaceful elections (mostly) , have the right to protest and be heard peacefully, and have a system to address and overturn grievances. Someone starts shooting of rounds it is gonna project a impression that no gun owners do not respect that.

It is a breaking point, a breaking point to rally on and be seen as well as heard and portray a positive message

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Have you been on planet earth the last 3yrs? There has been nothing peaceful about our political process since Trump was elected. The 2016 election was a tipping point and now the cats out of the bag. The country has never been more divisive and the media literally feeds off of it. They spin and twist whatever is going on to suit their agenda.

It's become apparent that voting does not work and in turn laws are being passed that go against the constitution. The BOR is our most sacred of articles and once they are lost the country is lost.

You mention how the legislative process is SUPPOSED to work, but it is not working when the constitution is ignored while we wait for the judiciary process to take place on matters that shouldn't even be being discussed in the first place. Meanwhile Americans are deprived of their rights.


Breaking point yes, but not in the way you think.

The "image" thing that so many talk about has really got to go away. The other side cares not about image. The difference is they have the means to make any situation seem as if their image is unaltered and perfect.

If we continue to let ourselves be trampled by this image complex then there is no one to blame but us when everything goes to crap.

Theres a video in the Strategy & Tactics forum about a cop who is simply not willing to shoot in order to live. I think that speaks volumes in our current climate.

If 20,000 armed people show up it is going to be peaceful. The police are likely to be rather nervous and extremely polite and everyone is going to be polite to them in return. It will be the safest place in USA for a little while. I doubt there will be any arrests. If anyone starts to get even a little bit out of line he will be surrounded by people calming him down. Don't worry about the media. They already have their stories written. Reality has nothing to do with how it is going to be reported.

It won't get scary until a couple weeks after the laws go into effect. Nothing will happen at the capitol. It will happen in small towns and rural areas around the state and there will be no news cameras present. Local police will not be notified before you get some visitors in the middle of the night. If the communists push this people are going to die. Maybe a lot of them.on both sides.

With the first civil war you can fight about who was right and who was wrong until the end of time. But what it basically came down to was a governing big city majority trying to impose their will and values on people that wanted nothing to do with it. You have the same situation in Virginia and a number of other states. The protest will be just fine. Things get scary when they try to actually enforce it. The governor and his merry band of commies are playing with fire. I wonder if they even realize that?

Bill Raby said:

If 20,000 armed people show up it is going to be peaceful. The police are likely to be rather nervous and extremely polite and everyone is going to be polite to them in return. It will be the safest place in USA for a little while. I doubt there will be any arrests. If anyone starts to get even a little bit out of line he will be surrounded by people calming him down.

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You would be correct if people don't try to take their guns onto the Capitol grounds. If they do, the police have orders to prevent them. There are enough people vowing to defy the exclusion order that the situation is a tinderbox. We shall see how it turns out soon enough.

It seems to me that citizens with guns are making our Republic function the way the Founding Fathers intends for it to which is for the Government to fear the People.

Unfortunately it is the other way another in many parts of our country.

This guy has a fairly large following.

like it or not, a good number of people are likely to follow his lead.

When the cattlemen in Nevada defied the authorities who were intending to shoot their cattle the authorities didn’t do squat because there were guys with hunting rifles and the cops knew they would get smoked if they started shooting. When the authorities are faced with equal or overwhelming force they become very sensible in their treatment of us citizens.
In case your skull is extremely thick, that is the exact reason they want to disarm us.

Bracken: What I Saw At The Coup | Western Rifle Shooters Association

A reminder to those who have or have not read this, to (re)read it.

This is exactly the kind of asshat-ery that makes a person less of an opponent and more as a target. Americans are very adamant about a few things, and outright bans on the things that people feel strongly about will turn a person to hatred and action, even quicker now than ever before. He should be very careful to not make himself a target for violence, and he should resist no peaceful protest as that would serve to fuel the fire.

VCDL and GOA are suing to overturn. Got an email, not on their website yet.
From the email:

As you are no doubt aware, Virginia Gov. “Blackface” Northam declared a “State of Emergency” for the capital area for Monday’s Lobby Day in Richmond.

The Governor’s action is illegitimate and cannot be allowed to stand.

GOA and VCDL are challenging Gov. Northam's illegal gun ban in court.

Gun Owners of America and the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) are filing an Emergency Injunction against the governor’s actions.

His action infringes on both the First and Second Amendment rights of Virginian’s who wish to peaceably assemble to petition their government, while at the same time not surrendering their right to self-defense.

This rally is held annually with thousands of participants and without incident. The only difference this year is that, in response to the Democrats’ attempt to eviscerate the Second Amendment, a much larger crowd is expected.

Incredibly, Northam is using the 2017 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in support of his ban on firearms, ignoring the fact that the unfortunate death that day was a vehicular homicide.

Northam hasn’t made any attempt to ban cars.

Like all gun control, this gun ban could have only negative consequences. If there are, in fact, any bad actors who would attempt to hijack the rally, they would simply ignore the law.

Over the next 24 hours, GOA and VCDL lawyers will be in court fighting the ban.

Stand and fight alongside us as we take on Gov. Northam. Please make an EMERGENCY contribution to help sustain GOA's lawsuit against the Governor.

We are determined not to let this governor run roughshod over our gun rights.

But every step of the way comes with a price tag. WE NEED YOU!

The next 24 hours are critical for the defense of our Second Amendment.

A 2012 law strictly limits the governor’s ability to ban gun in a state of emergency, and a political rally falls way outside his reach. We will fight this power grab and hope you will stand with us.

So, if you can, please help fund GOA’s emergency injunction today.

We know that many gun owners—both in Virginia and across the country—are planning to attend the Lobby Day in Richmond. We are excited to see you there. But if you plan to attend Lobby Day, remember the eyes of the media—and the country—will be on us!

In Liberty,

Erich Pratt
Senior Vice President
Follow me on Twitter: @erichmpratt

Great news! For the first time EVER I’m considering making a donation..

bluejeans said:

Great news! For the first time EVER I’m considering making a donation..

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I did.

Don't let CA/NY style insanity spread.

It's taking us 30+ years to get our rights back.

bluejeans said:

Great news! For the first time EVER I’m considering making a donation..

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Done it. I just sold an unused reloading press, trying to decide what I needed, decided they need it more.

A link to the injunction as filed:
https://gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/goa-vcdl-lobby-day-temporary-injunction.pdf

Imagine an Accidental/Negligent Discharge at such a tense, large public gathering.

“I didn’t know it was loaded!”.

It has happened at more than a few Gun Shows, but there is almost no chance with so many more guns carried (?), and near members of the lame stream media, most of whom are hoping for Something to use in a very emotional News Flash.

Ignition Override said:

Imagine an Accidental/Negligent Discharge at such a tense, large public gathering.

“I didn’t know it was loaded!”.

It has happened at more than a few Gun Shows, but there is almost no chance with so many more guns carried (?), and near members of the lame stream media, most of whom are hoping for Something to use in a very emotional News Flash.

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Yes that is a concern but it didn't happen at the Bundy standoff.

That was as tense as they get. Literally .gov pointing rifles at citizens and citizens pointing back.

I still say (cue gurgly voice) "It's a trap!"
Keep it peaceful, folks!

If there is gunfire the left wins. If police, politicians or government officials get hurt by gunfire they win big.

I believe all legal gun owners won’t even consider firing a shot.

The problem will be the left wing antagonist or the leftist who is undercover, playing a crazy gun owner with bad judgment. And the left wing news will know exactly where to focus the cameras!