Beretta 92 Brigadier hits terribly low; Dawson doesn't make a front sight short enough

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And does that mean that the alignment of the three dots will be off?
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I never pay any attention to the dots unless the lighting conditions are so bad that I can only see the dots..

Here's why:
1. Dots aren't always aligned when the sights are aligned,
2. Not all sights have dots.
3. Precision sight alignment using dots only isn't really possible.

I see dots like "night sights lite". They help with rough sight alignment, especially in poor conditions, but are of no use otherwise.
 
1KPerDay said:
Doesn't really matter which hold. I want the impact to be at the top of the front sight. It isn't, so I'm going to swap or adjust the sights until it does.

Even using a combat hold, which I find annoying, puts the impacts lower than the dot. But I see what you're saying... for my "3.5" lower than desired" groups I was using the top of the front sight as the desired impact point and holding the POA object there. That's where I like my pistols to hit, and most of them do, or close enough. I have fixed the POI with Dawson fronts on a couple that hit lower than I could stand, but the CZ is the first one I've had that hits too high for me.
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In this case I'll try to find a set of adjustable Novak style sights. I don't know if LPA Sights, for example, make a set for your gun.
That is what I would do.
 
JohnKSa said:
I never pay any attention to the dots unless the lighting conditions are so bad that I can only see the dots..

Here's why:
1. Dots aren't always aligned when the sights are aligned,
2. Not all sights have dots.
3. Precision sight alignment using dots only isn't really possible.

I see dots like "night sights lite". They help with rough sight alignment, especially in poor conditions, but are of no use otherwise.
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All they do for me is confuse the sight picture. But they are there and I can't honestly say I can "never pay attention" to them.
 
I've used LPA sights on a couple of guns. They work as advertised and seem to be good quality. Mine do not have the fiber optic front sight. The front sight won't be what irritates you about the LPA sights. The rear sight is pretty big, has a shallow notch, sharp edges and overhangs the hammer area somewhat. Those will probably be the things you don't like.

You should pull up some images of 92/96 pistols equipped with the LPA sights so you can see what you're getting.

Wilson Combat sells fixed rear sights for the 92/96 family in a variety of heights.
 
1KPerDay said:
https://www.amazon.com/Beretta-Adjustable-Sight-Black-Front/dp/B01M19LQX8/

Looks like LPA offers a set but Novak doesn't. Has anyone used the LPA? The front sight doesn't look super nice (ramp, no serrations) but the rear looks good if it will work.
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A friend of mine has this set on his Beretta Combat: very big rear sights, the rear blade is a razor, using front serration to rack the slide is a must.
Some Tanfoglios have a rear LPA adjustable sights which are more compact than those but the question is: are available also for Beretta?
 
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JohnKSa said:
I've used LPA sights on a couple of guns. They work as advertised and seem to be good quality. Mine do not have the fiber optic front sight. The front sight won't be what irritates you about the LPA sights. The rear sight is pretty big, has a shallow notch, sharp edges and overhangs the hammer area somewhat. Those will probably be the things you don't like.

You should pull up some images of 92/96 pistols equipped with the LPA sights so you can see what you're getting.

Wilson Combat sells fixed rear sights for the 92/96 family in a variety of heights.
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Thanks. Do you happen to know whether they measure the full height of the sight from the base or from the slide up?
I definitely would prefer not to have more sharp/fiddly things in the way of racking the slide. The safeties on the slide are annoying enough. :D
 
Yeah I've been reading up. It APPEARS that their "standard" rear is .270" and they say "for fixed sight models, raising your rear height by .010" will raise POI by approx. 1.7" at 20 yards. So I wonder if I should get a .290.

I'm going to take some measurements of the OEM rear and see if I can figure something out.

I guess worst case I can get the rear and if it doesn't fix it I can get a dawson FO front (and which will hopefully be available in the height I need after installing a wilson rear), which I'll likely do anyway.
 
Hold up... I just noticed Dawson offers their plain blade front sight for the 92A1 in .110" and FO for Brig ELITE down to .115" which is a lot closer to the .105" front that would supposedly fix my POI.

Does anyone know for sure if Brig elite sights and/or the 92A1 are the same as 92FS brigadier? If so, why would they have different SKUs?
 
JohnKSa said:
I never pay any attention to the dots unless the lighting conditions are so bad that I can only see the dots..

Here's why:
1. Dots aren't always aligned when the sights are aligned,
2. Not all sights have dots.
3. Precision sight alignment using dots only isn't really possible.

I see dots like "night sights lite". They help with rough sight alignment, especially in poor conditions, but are of no use otherwise.
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Everything Ive bought lately shoots low if you six o'clock hold. Everything shoots to Combat Hold if it has a white dot front sight. This was the first five shots out of my TP9SF at 15 yards with the front dot covering most of the bullseye. All of my recent handguns shoot the same way.


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PS Could be my eyes but 6 o'clock don't work with a dot for me on new pistols.
 
Hold up... I just noticed Dawson offers their plain blade front sight for the 92A1 in .110" and FO for Brig ELITE down to .115" which is a lot closer to the .105" front that would supposedly fix my POI.
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If your front sight is anywhere near as tight in the dovetail as mine was, you will need someone with a hydraulic press and who knows their business to change it out. A brass punch and a 5lb short-handled sledge wouldn't budge mine. If you can change your rear sight, you'll be way better off.
Everything Ive bought lately shoots low if you six o'clock hold. Everything shoots to Combat Hold if it has a white dot front sight. This was the first five shots out of my TP9SF at 15 yards with the front dot covering most of the bullseye. All of my recent handguns shoot the same way.
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Hmmm. Maybe the manufacturers are changing things. My buying has slowed down lately, but all my fixed sight guns (with one aforementioned exception) shoot to a rough 6 O'clock hold at around 25 yards with at least one type of ammo. In fact, (with the same exception) most of the time if I have a complaint it's that they shoot too high.

I do see that a lot of people have trouble with guns shooting low, but most of the time when I get a chance to shoot the gun myself, it's not the gun that's shooting low.

Your TP9SF looks like it really is shooting to a "cover the target with the dot" hold, because the group is nice and tight and still low. Often the dead giveaway is that the group, in addition to being low, is also much larger than it should be. Doesn't seem to be the case with your group.
 
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