Leupold having problem leading their scopes further into the future

Status
Not open for further replies.
I own 3 Leupolds. My eyes couldn't see much if any difference in the quality, clarity, functionality of similar scopes in a similar price range. The warranty , customer service reviews, and location (7 miles from Beaverton Oregon, my hometown) sealed the deal for me. I have had no issues whatsoever with the scopes. I'm likely a customer for life.
 
I've picked a Nikon over a Leupold back when Leupold was THE scope. It was just as good for the PRICE. Aside from one internet "tactical tommy", who refused to say WHY he "would never buy a Leupold again", I hadn't seen any haters for Leupold before this thread. I've had two Vortex optics, and I dont own them anymore. Dim and hazy at higher power, wildly changing eye relief with magnification changes, and these weren't the low end scopes. Replaced with Sig optics, which seem to get dismissed by the scope snobs. Because I got screaming deals on Sig's very good (not great) optics, but better than Vortex.

I kind of view Leupold as Toyota of the scope world. Not the best, but you usually can't go wrong with them. But if Leupold wants to go to the latest and greatest crowd, they WILL lose their traditional buyers. Just sayin'.
 
I haven't had a Leupold on one of my go-to center fire rifles in several years. It's not that they make a bad scope, I'd still tell anyone debating which scope to buy that a Leupold is almost never a bad choice. I've just found other scopes that I like better.

Part of the issue for me is that my eyesight is a little funky. At 62 my right eye, the one I look through a scope with, is borderline in need of glasses. My vision is still 20/20 in my left eye. With both eyes open my brain uses the information from the left eye and I see perfectly. But when peering through a scope, even with both eyes open, I have to focus the scope for my right eye. I can no longer get a Leupold to focus for me. I can with any other scope I've tried.

In the budget range I think the Burris FF-II priced $160-$200 is a BETTER scope than the Leupold VX-2 when they were selling for $300-$350 before they replaced it with the VX-Freedom. I think the glass is better and they have proven to be one of the most rugged tough scopes made. Their reputation for ruggedness is right there with Leupold. I'd not feel the least bit handicapped with one of these hunting anything, anywhere.

In mid priced scopes the 3-9X40 Zeiss Conquest has won me over. At the same price point they are much better than Leupold and they are within 2-3 oz of the same weight. That scope has been marketed under several names including Cabelas. I have one stamped Zeiss that I paid $500 for and have picked up 2 from Cabelas @ $250 each when they closed them out. I have 2 more that I found used, those have replaced Leupold for me on my hunting rifles. They are still made and are now selling as the Meopta Meapro. Price is $500. The glass is from Europe, but they are USA manufactured if that is important. Even Leupold buys their glass from overseas.

I've given the SWFA Super Sniper scopes a look on rifles used for target shooting. Their fixed powers are $300 and are often on sale for $200-$250. They also make a variable priced at $600 that is occasionally discounted down to $450-$500. Those are good entry level target/tactical scopes. Leupold has nothing to compete with them anywhere near that price point.

I simply have no experience with any of the stuff above the $500 price range.

You got it backwards. Meopta makes the conquest line for Zeiss. Call them if you don't believe.
 
I could afford any scope I want. Honestly. I'm not a wealthy person, but if I really wanted a S&B scope, I'd have one by now. That said, my hunting rifles wear a Leupold VX-1, a Weaver K6 and a Weaver V7. Why? Because practical hunting distances just don't demand more expensive scopes. A lot of guys talk about 400+ yard hunting shots in order to justify their $400+ scopes. But let's be honest, most animals are taken inside of 200 yards (maybe even 150 yards) and it doesn't take much of a scope to cleanly and reliable take game inside that range. Heck, I've probably taken more game with a $40 Simmons than everything else combined. In fact, the 225# pig I took this evening fell to a $40 Simmons on my CVA muzzleloader.

I like my Leupold scopes. Don't get me wrong. But if someone told me I would have to use my Weavers or a Nikon Buckmasters or even a Simmons, I'd still do a lot of hunting and I'd still take a lot of game.

But NOT in low light conditions.
 
Yes, there is a lot more competition in the optics world. I'm still a Leupold guy but I do use other optics nowadays. Leupold's customer service cannot be beat, some companies have learned from them and prospered, Vortex is one. I was having issues with a Remington 700 many decades ago with all Leupold product, scope/rings and mount. The Leupold tech, yes a real live person ( on the telephone with a cord) who knew what they where doing pre-error net quickly assessed my problem and sent me new rings and mounts and a shim kit FREE OF CHARGE. Installed the new parts and presto the rifle was able to be zeroed.
 
I shoot both eyes open, even with a scope and I find Leupold hard to see through. The best way I can describe it is...it's as if Leupold uses extra small ocular lenses. There's just seemed to not be a lot of real estate.

I recently checked out vortex and they're easier for me to use and I seem to get much better clarity for much less money.
 
I've owned maybe 3 dozen different scopes, lots of different brands including Leupold. Never had a bad one...oh, wait minute...one bad one. Sent it back and they sent me a new one with a gift for my troubles. I now have 13 scoped rifles...7 Leupold, 5 Bushnell, 1 Burris. I don't keep bad scopes any more. While I'm a fan of Leupold (obviously), my most recent purchase was for my AR and I chose a Bushnell over Leupold because of price and features. Leupold may be falling behind in features, but the quality in my experience is still there.
 
I shoot both eyes open, even with a scope and I find Leupold hard to see through. The best way I can describe it is...it's as if Leupold uses extra small ocular lenses. There's just seemed to not be a lot of real estate.

I recently checked out vortex and they're easier for me to use and I seem to get much better clarity for much less money.
Wow. That's the first time I've heard anyone say that.

One reason I like Leupolds is the huge eyebox they have, and the fact that the eye relief barely changes at all when you zoom. Most other scopes can't do both.

I just bought my umpteenth Leupold scope yesterday, a "new old school" 3-9x40 Rifleman with the old fashioned friction dials and no-frills zoom ring. I had it zeroed in 3 shots, which means it tracked perfectly. 5 shots later I decided I was just wasting ammo so I packed it up and went home. That's what I like about Leupy's - no drama.
 
I've owned maybe 3 dozen different scopes, lots of different brands including Leupold. Never had a bad one...oh, wait minute...one bad one. Sent it back and they sent me a new one with a gift for my troubles. I now have 13 scoped rifles...7 Leupold, 5 Bushnell, 1 Burris. I don't keep bad scopes any more. While I'm a fan of Leupold (obviously), my most recent purchase was for my AR and I chose a Bushnell over Leupold because of price and features. Leupold may be falling behind in features, but the quality in my experience is still there.
What bushie did you put on the AR?
 
Wow. That's the first time I've heard anyone say that.

One reason I like Leupolds is the huge eyebox they have, and the fact that the eye relief barely changes at all when you zoom. Most other scopes can't do both.

I just bought my umpteenth Leupold scope yesterday, a "new old school" 3-9x40 Rifleman with the old fashioned friction dials and no-frills zoom ring. I had it zeroed in 3 shots, which means it tracked perfectly. 5 shots later I decided I was just wasting ammo so I packed it up and went home. That's what I like about Leupy's - no drama.


It's probably my eyes more than the scope, but that's part of finding a good scope, something that works with the eyes you got lol.
 
I'm an unashamed Leupold Kool Aid drinker. :p

When I was young, they were what adorned the rifles and handguns of my dreams. Now they're not only on my rifles and handguns but due to Gander Mountain's going out of business sale, Cabela's points, gun shop and Ebay scores, I've somehow managed to accumulate five or six of them that still need a permanent home. I just took delivery of the hard-to-find 1.75-6x VXIII that will go on my elk rifle.
 
I'm of a few minds on Leuplold. Used to be, you were either in the club, or not. And if not, you knew nothing ... Now, no so much.

I come from the left coast where deer & pig hunting can be a fog bound business in the Coast Range. So out here, I use a Bushnell Elite 4200 with Rainguard (Elites are decendants of Bausch-Lomb), something Leupold did not offer. And us fog country shooters laugh at others out in the field who can't see when the time comes :D

From a test: "Don’t mistake the Rainguard of being simply a moisture repellent. The lens also complements good light transmission and image brightness. The 4200 series boasts a remarkable rate of light transmission. All you have to worry about is cleaning the lens before you use it, something that you would have to do even before using a regular scope."

OTOH, the only scope I lust after for the last few years is Leupold VX-R Patrol with fire dot. It is an absolutely amazing scope. I'll finally get one this year for my Rainier Arms AR project under construction. And I have looked at a lot of AR compatible scopes ...

I thought maybe as part of my retirement plan, I would become a part time scope importer/dealer. Family responsibilities cancelled that as I took care of Pop part time until he was 98.5 (Proud WW-II Vet). That ate up the years I would have been on the road part time ... Anyway, I looked at a lot of scopes by maker. I soon realized that you could buy world class quality in a scope from China, and guess what, if it was world class - it was world cost, maybe minus a few $$ ... I chose Vector Optics as a possible supplier as they supply lots of optics to military's and police forces around the globe. Their stuff is within spitting distance of Leupold.

But in the end, none of my rifles have a Vector Optics scope, and one does wear a gold ring, so go figure ...
 
I still have more than a handful of VX1 / VX2 optics (mostly in the 'old' 2x-7x design). They're plenty good enough for my general walkabout hunting use, and I really do value them. But that doesn't mean that all Leupold scopes are gems, any more than all Leupolds can be called inferior to the competition.

There is a lot of room between 'ok, boomer - every Leupold is teh suk!' and 'anyone that doesn't put all Leupold's on a pedestal is a whiny millennial!'. I'm just trying to put some meat into that part of the discussion.

I am old enough to remember a time when Cadillac sold one hundred thirty two thousand Cimarron's. ONE. HUNDRED. THIRTY. TWO. THOUSAND. The Cimarron was / is an abjectly abysmal car, by any objective measure, and ought never have seen the light of day badged as a Cadillac. But clearly a whole bunch of folk decided that the name on the car was more important than the value of the product itself.

<shrug>

Brand loyalty isn't always rational.

Like your Samsung phone? Just wait till you try one of their Crap-O dishwashers...
 
In the spring of 2017,I gathered up enough parts to build what I consider to be a great eastern white tail deer rifle.It's a Remington M7 in 308.It weighs a little under 6 pounds bare,and right at 7 pounds with scope,mount,sling and 5 rounds of ammo.The scope I chose for it is a 2X7 Leupold that I bought in 1980.I chose to take that scope off of one of my other rifles and put it on the 308 because it's still a fine scope for that application.It's the lightest there is in that power range.It's more than capable of taking the sharp recoil that a light rifle like that will deliver,and I'll guarantee you with 168 gr handloads,that little gun does kick.They have the best field of view for the size of the ocular lens.That means,the scope can stay low on the action and the bolt handle will clear it.The old school friction turrets work plenty good,I won't be dialing it up and down for yardage.The profile of the scope is like the rifle-small and compact.Another rifle I had was in need of a better scope than the 6.5X20 I had on it because I was planning on using it this fall in deer season.It's a custom 25-06 that is a very accurate tack driver.My back is torn up very bad,and instead of hunting deer in the deep woods,I knew I would have to stay in the more open country,so I wanted a rifle that was capable of going out to 500 yards if need be.I ran across a new Mark 4 4.5X14 with the TMR reticle for $749.00,which was a steal to me.It's my second M4,and I've read all the stuff about bad tracking,reliability issues and all that,but the first one has done well for the past 5 years,and I expect the both of them will do what they're supposed to do for a long time.I now own 15 Leupolds,and they are what I'm used to,they do what I want them to do,and I still believe they are a lot of scope for the dollar.I've had lots of other scopes,and with the exception of Nightforce,Leupold scopes beat everything I've put them up against.Vortex doesn't have the clarity at the higher power,nor does Bushnell.Compare field of view,and they're all suckin hind tit against Leupold.Non-critical eye relief is another feature that nobody can beat Leupold on.Light transmission,and weight-again,Leupold is the best.Good,simple,reliable scopes that get the job done for decades are features that can't be seen,but they count up to a lot.Nope,can't find any reason to change.Some related a post about Craftsman tools being good.Maybe they are.Maybe other tools are as good as Craftsman.A few years ago,I had a box with some Craftsman ratchets sitting in my shop when one of the locals stopped by and asked me why I had them laid out.They were out because I had recently upgraded my tool box,and had no room for anything but snap-on and I wanted to give those knuckle skinning pieces of junk to someone I didn't like.I've gave away a few scopes over the 40 or more years I've been playing with guns,but none of them had a gold ring.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top