Nephew’s AD and brush with death.

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I stand by my statement as being factual, DA revolvers go bang when the trigger is pulled.

Yes but striker-fired autos go bang much, much more easily when you snag the trigger on an obstruction, because the trigger pull is much shorter and lighter and nothing prevents the trigger from moving, and because there is no manual safety.
DA revolvers require an 8 to 10 pound trigger pull over a distance of 3/4 of an inch, which is much more effective at preventing such ADs and NDs.
 
The long and comparatively heavy double action trigger pull required by a DA revolver IS a safety.
I don't think that anyone ever experienced a negligent discharge from a modern DA revolver with the hammer down. With automatic hammer blocks and transfer bars built in, even dropping them won't cause them to fire.
My thoughts exactly, the reason I carry a Kahr.
I have 3 different other brands of striker fired guns, and all have different amounts of take-up/trigger travel/overtravel/pull weights/breaking points/reset points.
I have emailed the popular aftermarket "trigger" makers for all these brands to ask if they would consider making a kit the mimicked a double action trigger.
You know, no take-up and some resistance from the start of any trigger movement/travel, resistance could be either linear or increasing in movement, smooth until firing, without hitting a wall, etc.

I know some recently released guns(Sig Dak/HK LEM) have something like I have described but I'd like to "convert" the guns I have, not buy new ones.
The answer I got from most was Huh... why?
I have to believe there IS a market for a DOA trigger in popular brand striker fired guns as new guns are being engineered/sold with DOA triggers, even with safeties and grip safeties.
what say you,
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A lot of hate for the ND crowd and I think it's unwarranted. Accidents happen no matter what you're doing and even with rigorous processes the risk is merely mitigated. To all you guys being mean spirited and saying "how could you be so stupid" in however many words I hope you reconsider. We know it's stupid, it's not productive it's just mean spirited.

Thought I'd take a moment to bring back this oldie but a goodie. "I am the only one here, professional enough t handle a Glock forty." Famous last words.

 
There was a time when Browning .25,.32, and .380 striker-fired pocket pistols were made, that each of them had an effective sear-blocking grip safety.

JM Browning did design such critters but I don't remember Browning the company ever selling any of them. FN and Colt certainly did and the French firm MAB did a very close copy of the FN 1910 and Beretta did a 25 striker with a grip safety back in 1919. The Baby Browning though did not have the grip safety IIRC.

I have a love both the FN Browning Vest Pocket and the Colt Model "N" Vest pocket as well as the Beretta 1919 and yes, they have a fairly heavy trigger, the grip safety and a manual safety. I use all three safeties.

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Yes but striker-fired autos go bang much, much more easily when you snag the trigger on an obstruction, because the trigger pull is much shorter and lighter and nothing prevents the trigger from moving, and because there is no manual safety.
DA revolvers require an 8 to 10 pound trigger pull over a distance of 3/4 of an inch, which is much more effective at preventing such ADs and NDs.
A trigger so long heavy that most trigger scales won't even register it vs a 4.5-6lb trigger that's both shorter and twice or more as light.... Common sense that it's more of a risk for ND... Should not even be up for debate.
 
I once was shooting a Marlin Model 60
I had ran a buch of ammo through it that day.. After I was done I put the gun on "safe" emptied the tube ,, cleared the round in the chamber and walked toward the barn .. Before entering.. I went through my same routine .. pointed the muzzle toward the ground.. and pulled the trigger.. expecting the 'click' But I heard BANG !!! and a hole in the mud about 2 inches in front of the toe of my boot!!!!
I turned white as a sheet and thought I was gonna faint !!!
That was 30 some years ago .. and I still get a empty feeling in my gut ...

Im so happy the young fellow is OK
 
I once was shooting a Marlin Model 60
I had ran a buch of ammo through it that day.. After I was done I put the gun on "safe" emptied the tube ,, cleared the round in the chamber and walked toward the barn .. Before entering.. I went through my same routine .. pointed the muzzle toward the ground.. and pulled the trigger.. expecting the 'click' But I heard BANG !!! and a hole in the mud about 2 inches in front of the toe of my boot!!!!
I turned white as a sheet and thought I was gonna faint !!!
That was 30 some years ago .. and I still get a empty feeling in my gut ...

Im so happy the young fellow is OK
If you cleared the chamber and tube and put the gun on safe, how did that happen? What am I missing?
 
No holster, and I think it was in his back pocket.

Oh My Gosh!!!
That's one thing I will never do!
I read VERY early on ( from Massad Ayoob ) never ever carry without a holster.
It'll move in your pocket & when you reach for it, it will not be where you expect it.
Plus it'll collect pocket fuzz, leak oil & other nasty stuff.

Just glad he's living nor seriously injured.
Every negligent discharge gives the anti-gunners more food to feed on.
Just when we need to starve 'em
 
Hopefully the OP's nephew will be OK.

If we get right down to it, that was no accidental discharge(AD), it was a negligent discharge(ND). An AD is a result of a firearm malfunction. The OP's nephew appeared to be fiddling with his gun and it went off.
 
JM Browning did design such critters but I don't remember Browning the company ever selling any of them. FN and Colt certainly did and the French firm MAB did a very close copy of the FN 1910 and Beretta did a 25 striker with a grip safety back in 1919. The Baby Browning though did not have the grip safety IIRC.

I don't think that Browning ever marketed the 1906 .25 auto under their own name, but since they owned FN, it's not much of a difference.
Browning did indeed market the 1910 under the Browning name in later years right up to the end of production.

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I don't think that Browning ever marketed the 1906 .25 auto under their own name, but since they owned FN, it's not much of a difference.
Browning did indeed market the 1910 under the Browning name in later years right up to the end of production.

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Yup, you're right and I even got to shoot a friends once. Mea Culpa. IIRC it was sold as the 1955 model.
 
Yup, you're right and I even got to shoot a friends once.

I owned a Colt .25 ACP 1906 model made in the 1920s and a .32 ACP FN 1910 model made just after WW2
I think. Both were really fun guns to shoot despite much in the way of sights.
My 1910 had an interchangeable spare barrel that I bought in .380 ACP which lived in it.
The original magazine, slide, and recoil spring were designed to function with either cartridge, and the only difference was snappier recoil with .380 ACP.
 


I think that the attempts of this guy to claim that some negligent discharges are peculiar to revolvers is pure nonsense.

1) Any pistol in a holster with an exposed hammer could be cocked by brush, although it's extremely unlikely. More likely, if it happened at all, it would result in the hammer being only partially pulled back and then released. The internal safeties on any revolver or auto would prevent it from firing anyway.

2) A revolver enclosed in a holster has the cylinder pressing against the walls of the holster. Frequently, the cylinder is enclosed in a form-fitted section of that holster. Since cocking the hammer also requires rotating the cylinder 1/6 of a turn, any attempt to cock the hammer is going to be met with significant resistance. One characteristic of revolvers is a noticeable mechanical disadvantage, with regards to cylinder rotation. Binding cartridges can tie them up easily, and more than one cop has saved his life by grabbing the cylinder of a revolver in the hand of someone trying to shoot him. A last resort surely, but it does illustrate how difficult it might be to cock a revolver in many holsters. It would be far more likely with an exposed-hammer auto pistol.

3) Someone negligently pulling the trigger on a revolver again after experiencing a hammer-fall on a spent cartridge, is about the idiocy of the shooter. It's negligent gun handling, and has no bearing upon the relative safety of a revolver versus an auto pistol. Nobody with half a brain would assume that if one chamber is empty or spent that the next one will also be spent or empty, any more that they would assume that the chamber of an auto pistol is empty, because they only inserted the magazine and did not load the chamber.
 
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I think that the attempts of this guy to claim that some negligent discharges are peculiar to revolvers is pure nonsense.

1) Any pistol in a holster with an exposed hammer could be cocked by brush, although it's extremely unlikely. More likely, if it happened at all, it would result in the hammer being only partially pulled back and then released. The internal safeties on any revolver or auto would prevent it from firing anyway.

2) A revolver enclosed in a holster has the cylinder pressing against the walls of the holster. Frequently, the cylinder is enclosed in a form-fitted section of that holster. Since cocking the hammer also requires rotating the cylinder 1/6 of a turn, any attempt to cock the hammer is going to be met with significant resistance. One characteristic of revolvers is a noticeable mechanical disadvantage, with regards to cylinder rotation. Binding cartridges can tie them up easily, and more than one cop has saved his life by grabbing the cylinder of a revolver in the hand of someone trying to shoot him. A last resort surely, but it does illustrate how difficult it might be to cock a revolver in many holsters. It would be far more likely with an exposed-hammer auto pistol.

3) Someone negligently pulling the trigger on a revolver again after experiencing a hammer-fall on a spent cartridge, is about the idiocy of the shooter. It's negligent gun handling, and has no bearing upon the relative safety of a revolver versus an auto pistol. Nobody with half a brain would assume that if one chamber is empty or spent that the next one will also be spent or empty, any more that they would assume that the chamber of an auto pistol is empty, because they only inserted the magazine and did not load the chamber.

Without opening the video I am guessing that is Paul “we are out on the firing range so please excuse any gunfire blah, blah, blah” Harrell.

Despite his accomplishments - it gets old sometimes.
 
Without opening the video I am guessing that is Paul “we are out on the firing range so please excuse any gunfire blah, blah, blah” Harrell.

Despite his accomplishments - it gets old sometimes.


I do wonder why he says it in every video. You'd think it was a given by now.
 
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