"Muzzleloading" New from the Shot Show

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I know this wont be many folks here's cup of tea, but I'm always glad to see muzzleloading innovations and anything muzzleloading or black powder related being promoted.

Its a new Traditions breach loading "muzzleloader" called "Nitro Fire". It utilizes a new powder from Hodgdon called "Triple Ei8ht" and a new chamber sleeve by Federal called "Fire Stick".

Check it out here -
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/...-change-muzzleloading-forever-shot-show-2020/

Even if you're not a fan, think of all the "ueless" side locks that will be on the market so fans of the latest and greatest can run out and snag this new set up.
 
This rifle would not be permitted to be used for hunting is several states like mine where it is specified that the gun must be loaded from the muzzle.


From the article:

"The bullet is still pushed in from the front. That hasn’t changed. But Federal created a new polymer chamber sleeve to hold the gunpowder charge. It’s called the Federal Firestick. The stick slips in from the rear, and it resembles a .410 shotgun shell."
 
From the article:

"The bullet is still pushed in from the front. That hasn’t changed. But Federal created a new polymer chamber sleeve to hold the gunpowder charge. It’s called the Federal Firestick. The stick slips in from the rear, and it resembles a .410 shotgun shell."


Very interesting. Nice that it has no breech plug. Says only legal in 10 states.
 
Im interested in this new "tripple ei8ht" powder. Will it be an improved 777? Will it be available in powder and/or just pellet form? Will it have the same amount of smoke or less or none at all? Will it leave the same crud rings that 777 has? So many questions but i guess we will have to wait till summer
 
This rifle would not be permitted to be used for hunting is several states like mine where it is specified that the gun must be loaded from the muzzle.

In my state it would be legal as it's not "fixed" ammunition. I called the state wildlife office to be sure since I wanted to hunt with an 1863 Sharps carbine. It's not "fixed" ammunition so they said, go for it.
 
NMLRA had that on their Facebook page. It’s gone, and I suspect because of the many negative comments.
 
It will be gone by next year. Stupid design and will not be accepted by a large number of states. I hate when companies waste $$$ on things like this when they could put that $$ into their current muzzleloaders by updating and tweaking their current popular models.
 
I own two CVA in-line muzzleloaders and deer hunt with them. This new firearm/method is interesting, but my initial concern is... what happens when you can't buy the Firestick any more? In theory, my CVA inlines are usable as long as I have shotgun primers, any powder (including make my own black powder), and a projectile. It's hard enough to get cartridges (or brass for reloading) for really old calibers, let alone ones that came and went. Even newer ammo like the 5mm Remington rimfire was unavailable for many years. What about 25 and 32 caliber rimfires? 303 Savage is hard to find. The Bee? Zipper? Wasp?

My buddies hassle me for using pellet powder as "it costs too much". These Firesticks mean that each shot is on the order of $4. Makes going to the range an expensive proposition.

Then again, I like the ability to unload after you are done hunting or when getting into your vehicle to move from one place to another. Plus, hunting in rain/snow would be better.

It will be interesting to see if it takes off or is it just a gimmick?
 
I own two CVA in-line muzzleloaders and deer hunt with them. This new firearm/method is interesting, but my initial concern is... what happens when you can't buy the Firestick any more? In theory, my CVA inlines are usable as long as I have shotgun primers, any powder (including make my own black powder), and a projectile. It's hard enough to get cartridges (or brass for reloading) for really old calibers, let alone ones that came and went. Even newer ammo like the 5mm Remington rimfire was unavailable for many years. What about 25 and 32 caliber rimfires? 303 Savage is hard to find. The Bee? Zipper? Wasp?

My buddies hassle me for using pellet powder as "it costs too much". These Firesticks mean that each shot is on the order of $4. Makes going to the range an expensive proposition.

Then again, I like the ability to unload after you are done hunting or when getting into your vehicle to move from one place to another. Plus, hunting in rain/snow would be better.

It will be interesting to see if it takes off or is it just a gimmick?


Yes, will be interesting to see if gimmick or lasting product. Getting rid of the breechplug is really nice. The breech plug is one of the biggest problems with muzzleloaders.

I always wondered if the Crosman Airbow would stick around or not too but they must sell enough to keep manufacturing them.

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It won't be legal in my state as part of the Mn. definition of a muzzle loader is.
Must be incapable of being loaded at the breech and have a threaded breech plug.

Just wondering what will stop you from dropping the bullet in the breech and pushing it into place with the fire stick?

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Yes, will be interesting to see if gimmick or lasting product. Getting rid of the breechplug is really nice. The breech plug is one of the biggest problems with muzzleloaders.

I always wondered if the Crosman Airbow would stick around or not too but they must sell enough to keep manufacturing them.

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Breech plug isn’t a problem with any of my muzzleloaders. Never pulled the plug on any of ‘em
 
I could care less about the gun but the new triple ei8ht powder interests me. Im hoping its the new black mz. But i can only hope. Although i mainly shoot homemade black powder...i still find an interest in new powder sub developements.
 
I'm shaking my head here. Because it's obviously meant to have the bullet loaded from the breech...they just haven't said so openly. They've reinvented the Smith carbine. Or maybe the Maynard.

It's a pity. Because Pedersoli was displaying a flintlock version of that Howdah pistol. But I guess there's not much interest in that sort of thing...
 
Yeah i was thinking the same thing about how it loads...i mean what is to keep someone from loading bullet first and then the "cartridge". Its basically what Mr.Mike OTDP said...theyre just remarketing an ugly version of a smiths carbine. Atleast the smith carbine was good looking. I truly feel that inlines shouldnt even be considered muzzleloaderds. Their own catagory should be called "inlines"
 
Yeah, I thought that Hodgdon's "Triple Ei8ht" was the most interesting in a practical sense since I have no interest in owning one of these set ups myself.
I wonder if the ID where the breach plug should be is large enough to feed a 50cal projectile through it, I'm guessing not.
I also like the ingenuity of the sealed charge, but I'm reasonably sure it's cost would keep me from ever buying it even if I decided I'd like to.
If something like this somehow gets a few more folks out hunting that other wise wouldn't have, then I say it's a good thing.
 
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