Berreta 92/ M9 upgrades?

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So after deciding to get a M9A1 a month or so ago I'm was wondering if I should do any upgrades. Anyone with this handgun have any helpful suggestions?

Was considering a D spring, fluted metal guide rod, maybe a spare recoild spring.. completely unnecessary? Waste of money?

I definitely wanna get new grips and looking at some options now. Something reasonably priced but nice. Thinking wood or pearl like ..idk.
 
A buddy of mine has some of the Wilson Combat parts. He really likes the trigger (Very Crisp and very short reset) and the Grips.

As to durability I have no idea if the plastic parts are an issue or not.
 
I’ve never known the plastic parts to be a problem.

The guide rod particularly gets a lot of attention involving it being made of plastic and it seems no one has anything objectively bad to say about it.

I think if you want to improve the feel and make it feel a bit less like a nerf gun then I would get a metal parts kit.
 
OEM D spring, metal trigger, full checkered wood grips. That's all I did to my 92G. That and several thousand rounds of firing, and everything's got a nice smooth and appropriately weighted feel.
 
Was considering a D spring, fluted metal guide rod, maybe a spare recoild spring.. completely unnecessary? Waste of money?
The "D" hammer spring makes a huge difference in the double-action trigger pull. I would consider that a change every Beretta 92 owner should make.

Personally, I don't like the idea that the hammer automatically drops when the safety is applied. This is disconcerting to me, being used to the way the M1911 works. That can be rectified by removing the sear release lever and replacing it with the spacer from the "D" version. This is a simple, easily reversible change. With this change, when the safety is applied, the hammer is blocked but remains cocked. It can then be safely dropped, if desired, by pulling the trigger.

Another worthwhile improvement is the factory oversized magazine release. The original magazine release is way too small.
 
Personally, I don't like the idea that the hammer automatically drops when the safety is applied. This is disconcerting to me, being used to the way the M1911 works. That can be rectified by removing the sear release lever and replacing it with the spacer from the "D" version. This is a simple, easily reversible change. With this change, when the safety is applied, the hammer is blocked but remains cocked. It can then be safely dropped, if desired, by pulling the trigger.
I'm a long time 1911 shooter, but I suspect your preference is in the minority. I wouldn't make that recommendation to anybody. Having a decocker is a lot safer than not having a decocker.
 
I would shoot the pistol before deciding on new grips, especially wood grip panels. The Beretta is a big pistol with a chunky grip. Depending on your hand size you may or may not have difficulty reaching the trigger comfortably in double action mode while maintaining a grip where the pistol is optimally aligned with your shooting forearm. Wood grip panels are significantly thicker than the polymer panels and can make this worse. I personally like the G10 VZ grip panels or the ultra-thin G10 grip panels sold by Wilson Combat.

There is no reason to worry about the hammer dropping when you decock the pistol. Take a look at the pistol and rotate the lever into the safe position with the hammer held back. You will see that there is a pin that protrudes through the safety lever cylinder. That is the firing pin plunger. The hammer strikes that plunger and the plunger strikes the firing pin itself. The safety lever rotates that firing pin plunger out of alignment with the hammer and firing pin well before the hammer is released so it can not possibly strike the firing pin. The firing pin block safety also prevents movement of the firing pin due to inertial impulses.

Some people prefer converting the decocker/safety mechanism to a decocker only as on the G models of the 92FS. In this mode the lever decocks the pistol but then springs back up so there is no actual external safety. This eliminates the concern that some owners had of accidentally putting the pistol on safe when sling shotting the slide with an overhand grip. This used to be hard to do, but Beretta now sells a G conversion kit for the M9A3 that works on the M9/92 FS. I myself being a right-handed shooter prefer the Wilson Combat low profile safety lever. This eliminates the lever on the right side of the pistol, and greatly reduces the profile of the lever on the left side. The lever still functions as a safety/decocker but is virtually impossible to accidentally deploy when racking the slide. The lever is harder to use to take the pistol off safe, so if self defense use is a concern, I would use this lever primarily as a decocker, or if carrying the pistol, I would take it off safety after holstering. This lever eliminates the rather sharp and bulky external levers of the stock safety and makes rapid slide manipulation a lot more pleasant.

I do have a Wilson Combat oversized magazine release lever and a reduced force mainspring. You can very easily reduce the strength of the mainspring on the M9/92 FS with a spring swap. It is quite safe to go down to a 16# mainspring which is what the spring in the D model (double action only) Beretta 92D comes with. Some will go lighter still Wilson Combat sells springs as light as 12 lbs and Wolff Gunsprings also sells reduced force mainsprings and packs with several different strength springs that allow you to experiment. Lighter springs may come at the cost of reduced ignition reliability, however, so if self defense use is a consideration, I probably would not go lighter than 16 lbs. That will, however, make a big difference in the weight of your DA trigger pull, and some lightening of the SA pull as well.

By all means install a metal recoil spring guide rod if you wish. It will not make your gun shoot better nor improve reliability one iota. Some shooters claim an improvement in balance by adding more weight at the front of the pistol. All I can say is they must have sensitive hands to notice the difference. Disclaimer: I do have a steel guide rod in my pistol.

If the reach to the double action trigger is an issue for you, consider the Wilson Combat short reach trigger. This will get rid of the stock, polymer-coated steel trigger (not plastic trigger) and will reduce trigger reach a little. While the reduction in trigger reach with this trigger is pretty small, the combination of this trigger and the ultra-thin G10 grips will make a significant difference.
 
D spring for sure...

Wilson Combat has quite a few parts that you may find interesting too.
 
Having a decocker is a lot safer than not having a decocker.
With the modification I am suggesting, you would still have the decocker but it wouldn't be automatic. You could decock the gun safely by pulling the trigger, either letting the hammer fall freely, or lowering the hammer slowly. This would be perfectly safe as long as the safety was applied. Then, once the hammer was down, you could take the safety off and rely on the double action trigger pull for safety. Or, with the hammer still cocked, you could take the safety off and have a single-action trigger pull available. This gives you more choices and makes the gun more versatile.

The key aspect of the Beretta safety is the rotating piece that completely prevents the hammer from striking the firing pin. The decocking aspect is just an afterthought, in my view. But I'm not against a decocker. I'm against an automatic decocker.

My P38s (P1s) are the same way (automatic decocking). I would make the same modification to them as I have to my Berettas, if I could find a simple way to do so. One good thing about the Beretta 92 series is that there are so many versions, that you can pick and choose the features you want by swapping parts.
 
I have made four changes to my edc 92;

1. Installed factory D mainspring.

2. Converted it from FS to G using factory parts.

3. Installed factory oversize magazine release.

4. Installed fiber optic front and rear sights.

My Beretta 92’s are for self-defense. Note that three of three of the changes use factory parts and easily defensible in a Court of Law.

I had the G Safety Conversion done last year. I always carry my 92 the safety off. I only use the safety to decock the hammer. Well one day I looked in the mirror and, dang, the safety was pushed on. I made the decision then and there to have the G Conversion done. I am very happy with it and intend to get my backup 92FS done also. (Two is One, One is None).

The fiber optic sights helps me to see the sights better so they should not be a legal issue. My edc has the plastic guide rod and other parts. At first I disliked the guide rod but it works perfectly so I see no need to change it.

The 92 series is very popular and there are a lot of options for them.
 
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D spring for sure...

Wilson Combat has quite a few parts that you may find interesting too.
Wilson has hammer springs that are lighter than the Beretta "D" spring. These would have the effect of lightening the double-action trigger pull even more. Then you get into the question of diminishing returns. I think the stock Beretta "D" spring hits the sweet spot.
 
I have a couple of Berettas, including an M9, and pretty much like them as they are. Im not big on doing modifications on most things, and the Berettas arent any different.

Sights and grips would are about all I ever bother with.

I do wish that they had a dovetailed front sight, so I could put a set of night sights on them, but it is what it is I guess.

The factory grips on my guns arent bad, even the 92S's grips are comfortable, just slippy. I recently picked up a SIG P226 with some nice Houge G10 grips on it, and I liked them, and figured Id try a set on one of the Berettas.

This is their Green Mascus G10 on my FS......
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They dont really add any bulk, but they are more aggressive in feel, and do feel good in my hand.

They are aslo a little darker than they look in the pics.
 
The Beretta is a big pistol with a chunky grip. Depending on your hand size you may or may not have difficulty reaching the trigger comfortably in double action mode while maintaining a grip where the pistol is optimally aligned with your shooting forearm.
The grip chunkiness is compounded by the long, heavy double action trigger pull. Even though I have relatively small hands, the grip was never really a problem when shooting in single action mode. After installing the "D" hammer spring, and thereby lightening the DA trigger pull, I found that the size of the grips was not as annoying as before.

Try the lighter hammer spring first before changing the grips.
 
The grip chunkiness is compounded by the long, heavy double action trigger pull. Even though I have relatively small hands, the grip was never really a problem when shooting in single action mode. After installing the "D" hammer spring, and thereby lightening the DA trigger pull, I found that the size of the grips was not as annoying as before.

Try the lighter hammer spring first before changing the grips.

You bring up a good point. With a heavy double action trigger, many shooters need to apply more finger to the trigger for leverage to defeat the mainspring. That can be problematic for those with smaller hands or shorter fingers and reducing the pull weight might allow the use of the pad of the trigger finger instead.
 
Beretta currently has more M9/92 models in their line-up with a dovetailed front sight than without.

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/berett...2.1463385423.1580751428-1520553724.1578607515
Thats cool, but its not helping me right now. :)

You bring up a good point. With a heavy double action trigger, many shooters need to apply more finger to the trigger for leverage to defeat the mainspring. That can be problematic for those with smaller hands or shorter fingers and reducing the pull weight might allow the use of the pad of the trigger finger instead.
Is the trigger thing a gun issue or a shooter issue? I have three of them, and dont see that any of their DA triggers is out of line from the other factory DA guns I have.

For those who are having the problem, are you normally a DA shooter?

Changing springs for lighter ones, really wont fix the problem, just hobble you to that gun. :thumbup:
 
Is the trigger thing a gun issue or a shooter issue?
The issue is trigger reach combined with stock DA trigger pull weight. The large grip circumference, and associated trigger reach, of the M9/92 has been a complaint against the gun since it's introduction.

The Vertec line and now the 92X line was introduced to address that issue. In addition, I believe all current models, except the M9 (maybe M9A1 also?) have a portion of the backstrap relieved to shorten trigger reach.
 
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Neither the M9 nor the M9A1 have the slight relief radius cut at the top of the back strap that the Beretta 92 models have. The relief cut is not very deep, but it does improve trigger reach for some.

Some shooters with even average size hands but shorter fingers, find that in order to get enough trigger finger on the trigger to pull the trigger in DA mode they must rotate the pistol somewhat outbound in their shooting hand to reduce the trigger reach. This results in the pistol no longer being optimally aligned with the forearm of the shooting arm. This has nothing to do with one's experience with double action revolver or pistol triggers. As JTQ said, it is a function of the relatively large grip circumference of the Beretta 92 series and shooter anatomy.

Some Beretta 92 owners have replaced their grips with Vertec grips to get around this. I have not tried this but apparently they work fine, but look a little funny.
 
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Thanks for the input everyone. So far I decided to order a D spring for sure and decided to get a SS guide rod.

I have medium hands and don't have a problem holding the M9 or trigger reach. Think I'm gonna leave that alone.

Going over different grips as been ... a hassle somewhat. They're either "expensive " or not thin enough. Basically looking for inexpensive thin wood grips. Gonna keep searching.

I have the M9A1 so I'm stuck with the sights I have which is fine.
 
Thanks for the input everyone. So far I decided to order a D spring for sure and decided to get a SS guide rod.

I have medium hands and don't have a problem holding the M9 or trigger reach. Think I'm gonna leave that alone.

Going over different grips as been ... a hassle somewhat. They're either "expensive " or not thin enough. Basically looking for inexpensive thin wood grips. Gonna keep searching.

I have the M9A1 so I'm stuck with the sights I have which is fine.
If you want thin grips the LOK slim ones are very nice and fit the hand well. They aren't free, though. ;)
 
Neither the M9 nor the M9A1 have the slight relief radius cut at the top of the back strap that the Beretta 92 models have. The relief cut is not very deep, but it does improve trigger reach for some.


Some Beretta 92 owners have replaced their grips with Vertec grips to get around this. I have not tried this but apparently they work fine, but look a little funny.

No, the M9A1 does have that rear strap indentation. The M9 does not, but the M9A1 does.
 
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