Exercised my 2nd amendment right with some mil-surps part 2

That Israeli Mauser looks neat. The wood has a interesting pattern to it. Almost like speckles on a snakes belly. Very nice rifles!

Oooooooh, love Milsurp porn! Looks like a great day at the range!

My favorites are the Longbranch and the 1908.

I just shot my M1922 for the first time last week, after owning it over a year- the Lyman 48 was very tight and dry, looked like it hadnt been adjusted since 1945. Completely dissassembled, polished and oiled it, everything AOK. The windage was perfectly zeroed, just needed a little elevation adjustment and I was shooting .5" groups at 25yd indoor with cheap Federal ammo. Had to use the Federal because the chamber is so tight (yes its clean), that the WWB I had with me wouldnt extract! No problems at all with the Federal, go figure.

Cant wait to try that one with some good fodder at 50!

Also shot my Remingtom 03A3 for the second time. That gun is a laser! Had 15 shots through one ragged hole- and didnt have to touch the sights when it came out of the CMP case I bought it in.

Still havent shot my Eddystone M1917 yet after buying that one about 3 years ago. (Hangs head in shame).......

To say that "2nd Amendment rights" apply to bolt action milsurps is like saying that they apply to flintlocks. Perhaps they do, but the 2nd Amendment is not about collectibles any more than it is about hunting. The relevant question is, are the arms suitable for current-day combat? That's why the core of the 2nd Amendment is about so-called "assault weapons" -- the very ones that the antis are trying to outlaw.

Don't get me wrong -- I like and collect milsurps myself. But I'm not going to cite the 2nd Amendment on their behalf.

Im pretty sure that odd wood on the Israeli is beechwood.

AlexanderA said:

To say that "2nd Amendment rights" apply to bolt action milsurps is like saying that they apply to flintlocks. Perhaps they do, but the 2nd Amendment is not about collectibles any more than it is about hunting. The relevant question is, are the arms suitable for current-day combat? That's why the core of the 2nd Amendment is about so-called "assault weapons" -- the very ones that the antis are trying to outlaw.

Don't get me wrong -- I like and collect milsurps myself. But I'm not going to cite the 2nd Amendment on their behalf.

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I'm sure somewhere there are liberals wanting to ban the rifles in this thread, 'weapons of war' and all that rot.

Thanks for sharing...

AlexanderA said:

To say that "2nd Amendment rights" apply to bolt action milsurps is like saying that they apply to flintlocks. Perhaps they do, but the 2nd Amendment is not about collectibles any more than it is about hunting. The relevant question is, are the arms suitable for current-day combat? That's why the core of the 2nd Amendment is about so-called "assault weapons" -- the very ones that the antis are trying to outlaw.

Don't get me wrong -- I like and collect milsurps myself. But I'm not going to cite the 2nd Amendment on their behalf.

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Bolt action rilfes will be nearly as effective as semi-autos in the hands of a civilian/ partisan force against a modern, professional, regular army- which is to say not very either way.

When faced with night vision, guided cluster bombs, artillery, and armored vehicles the type of small arms one wields are fairly insignificant.

Did the arrival of sufficient numbers of AK47s make the Vietcong significantly more dangerous than in the early years when they were packing Arisakas and Mosins? I would argue their overall combat effectiveness increased only slightly. IEDs, traps, and assassinations were far more powerful weapons for them than any small arms and it was only the intervention of the regular NVA that finally pushed the pendulum firrmly over to the Communist side in Vietnam after the US general withdrawal.

The Turkish government molds their civilian firearms policy firmly around their fear of civilian uprising. Its interesting to note that they allow shotguns pretty much without restrictions, and possession of a handgun without a permit might warrant a slap on the wrist if the cop wants to fill out the paperwork. Any civilian caught with a centerfire rifle of ANY kind in an urban area is in for a world of hurt and most likely disappearance.
They simply dont consider pistols and smoothbores much of a threat to the State, but they are equally scared of bolt action Mausers and "assault rifles."
Incidentally, all bolt actions are generally referred to as "Mausers" in Turkey, regardless of the actual manufacturer.

The 2nd amendment is about strategic deterrence. It is a doomsday scenario for the United States and if we ever actually had to put it into action, would mean the end of our country, and likely our world as we know it- hostile foreign powers would not stand by while we settled our differences the old fashioned way.

So, while I am all for the providing the citizenry with small arms comparable to those of the standing army, is the .Gov REALLY more effectively deterred by an AR than a 100- year old milsurp?

Hard to say....but I am under no illusions that the gun grabbing elements would stop when they have melted down all the semi-autos. They will not stop until every threat to their New World order is crushed- and that includes milsurp rifles.

In this regard, LIonking's old turn-bolts are every bit as important to the intent of the 2nd Amendment as the fearsome "black rifles."

In the time I spent in the country formerly known as Yugoslavia, you'd be amazed how much respect a 7.92mm mauser variant with a 4x Zeiss and mount liberated from a shooting club or police armory, or worse yet a Blaser or BRNO sporting rifle with high powered glass received from our force protection. More so than the truckloads of AKs we were rounding up daily. Only an M76, vehicle or static mounted 12,7mm, or RPG got more attention.

Nice rifles, and still relevant today. If you can hit targets with those, a modern rifle is cakewalk.

And you guys would have cried on some of the milsurp rarities we put under a chop saw and/or salvaged for parts.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Bolt action rilfes will be nearly as effective as semi-autos in the hands of a civilian/ partisan force against a modern, professional, regular army- which is to say not very either way.

When faced with night vision, guided cluster bombs, artillery, and armored vehicles the type of small arms one wields are fairly insignificant.

Did the arrival of sufficient numbers of AK47s make the Vietcong significantly more dangerous than in the early years when they were packing Arisakas and Mosins? I would argue their overall combat effectiveness increased only slightly. IEDs, traps, and assassinations were far more powerful weapons for them than any small arms and it was only the intervention of the regular NVA that finally pushed the pendulum firrmly over to the Communist side in Vietnam after the US general withdrawal.

The Turkish government molds their civilian firearms policy firmly around their fear of civilian uprising. Its interesting to note that they allow shotguns pretty much without restrictions, and possession of a handgun without a permit might warrant a slap on the wrist if the cop wants to fill out the paperwork. Any civilian caught with a centerfire rifle of ANY kind in an urban area is in for a world of hurt and most likely disappearance.
They simply dont consider pistols and smoothbores much of a threat to the State, but they are equally scared of bolt action Mausers and "assault rifles."
Incidentally, all bolt actions are generally referred to as "Mausers" in Turkey, regardless of the actual manufacturer.

The 2nd amendment is about deterrence. It is a doomsday scenario for the United States and if we ever actually had to put it into action, would mean the end of our country, and likely our world as we know it- hostile foreign powers would not stand by while we settled our differences the old fashioned way.

So, while I am all for the providing the citizenry with small arms comparable to those of the standing army, is the .Gov REALLY more effectively deterred by an AR than a 100- year old milsurp?

Hard to say....but I am under no illusions that the gun grabbing elements would stop when they have melted down all the semi-autos. They will not stop until every threat to their New World order is crushed- and that includes milsurp rifles.

In this regard, LIonking's old turn-bolts are every bit as important to the intent of the 2nd Amendment as the fearsome "black rifles."

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Not to hijack the thread but this post is the best I have seen in a while! Preach on sir.

Great looking milsurps. I have a 1914 swede that shoots high as well. I love the Israeli Mauser and wish I had gotten one years ago. You have a fine stable of milsurps.

I will shoot my 1914 swede, 1939 Tuna Morin and 1978 chicom SKS regularly. My 1942 K98, 1943 Swedish Mauser and 1943 Smith Corona 03A3 have become safe queens. The two 1943 rifles are Damn near mint condition and the German Mauser is good+ and I just dont pull them out that much.

More beautiful old military iron -- nice selection too!

Wonder if your Israeli has monster freebore? The one I had did. Not sure if there was a reason they were chambered that way, or if mine was eroded. I literally could not seat a 155 HPBT far enough out to touch the lands and still be in the case neck at all! Still displayed accuracy about as good as yours though.