What do folks here do with their carry gun when they have to go into a post office?

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It might surprise many here that they might just be accidental felons without knowing it

https://www.charleskochinstitute.or...nwitting-criminal-activity-average-americans/

The problem today is that we live in a society that has criminalized so much behavior to the point that nobody can keep up with the sheer number of nonsensical edicts. As a result, "Irish Democracy" evolves where a large number of folks decide that they aren't going to comply.
 
It might surprise many here that they might just be accidental felons without knowing it

https://www.charleskochinstitute.or...nwitting-criminal-activity-average-americans/

The problem today is that we live in a society that has criminalized so much behavior to the point that nobody can keep up with the sheer number of nonsensical edicts. As a result, "Irish Democracy" evolves where a large number of folks decide that they aren't going to comply.
Never heard the expression " Irish Democracy" but it reminds me of what we did back in 1776 !.
When told we would be surrendering our RIGHT to bear arms ----- we showed the Brits how to use aforementioned guns .
 
AK103K said:
They come to my house every day. If it wont fit in the box, then they come up to the house, doesnt matter what it is. Maybe rural mail is different than city mail?

Mater of fact, (at least some) postal regulations are different for rural zip codes. I used to ship small hydraulic parts via USPS regularly and occacionally some exceeded the maximum weight/size limits. Larger/heavier packages are acceptable by rural post offices than by urban offices. May be other exceptions, as well???

theotherwaldo said:
The plate number is linked to my driver's license number. So is my license to carry a handgun.
It would come up with a single query, along with my address, insurance info, other vehicles, other permitted drivers, and anything else that relates to policing the public.
I'm not thrilled about this, but that's the way it goes.

Yep, I've often wondered why they do not issue one license (combo driver/CCW) to CCW holders and be done with it. Texas law requires CCW holders to notify officer (any time asked to produce a driver's license) that he/she also has CCW permit, & location of firearm if present. The officer is going to run your DL and will soon be aware of your CCW, so why not cut out the middle man?

Regards,
hps
 
This. No gun signs in Ilinois carry the force of law, so I need to lock my gun in my car more than I'd like. The lock box fits under my seat, so it's not visible to someone from the outside and it's attached by cable to the frame of the seat. It's not a guarantee that someone can't make off with it, but it's the best option I have.
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True. So, I'll ask again. Has anyone ever been charged with carrying in a post office when the charge wasn't connected to some other crime? I've asked this question several times before on this forum and others over the years and have yet to get an answer. That and the fact that people are regularly observed carrying in post offices around the country leads me to think that more than likely the risk is extremely low.

Maybe so but does it matter considering what the consequences are?

You keep trying to make this a "what are the chances" question to other people when, imo, you should be asking yourself the above question.

Take ownership of your actions and not try to justify them by saying Well no one can show me an example.
 
Regarding the drivers license/concealed carry license connection - or lack thereof - I just consulted a local police chief. Here in Wisconsin the CCL is separate from a DL. A police officer in WI does not receive notification of CCL when running a plate number or driver's license. As to notification - a holder of a CCL who is carrying is not obliged to inform a LEO that he is armed unless the officer inquires. (think traffic stop , non gun related) The Chief and I agreed that voluntary disclosure is a good practice for a number of reasons.

I am sure that state laws vary.
 
No. The property owner has the right ban guns in their property. I think it's a stupid law but it's the law and I abide by it
So somehow you're not a coward for abiding by an unjust law you don't believe in but someone who doesn't abide by that unjust law is a coward? :scrutiny: (BTW, at no point in this thread have I said that I don't abide by this law, just so we're clear)
 
You keep trying to make this a "what are the chances" question to other people when, imo, you should be asking yourself the above question.
I keep trying to get an answer to a question that is relevant to the conversation. I don't think that's such a bad thing.
 
Regarding the drivers license/concealed carry license connection - or lack thereof - I just consulted a local police chief. Here in Wisconsin the CCL is separate from a DL. A police officer in WI does not receive notification of CCL when running a plate number or driver's license. As to notification - a holder of a CCL who is carrying is not obliged to inform a LEO that he is armed unless the officer inquires. (think traffic stop , non gun related) The Chief and I agreed that voluntary disclosure is a good practice for a number of reasons.

I am sure that state laws vary.

Agree w/you & your chief that voluntary disclosure it is a good idea whether required by state law or not. Surprises can have adverse effects.

Yep, I've often wondered why they do not issue one license (combo driver/CCW) to CCW holders and be done with it. Texas law requires CCW holders to notify officer (any time asked to produce a driver's license) that he/she also has CCW permit, & location of firearm if present. The officer is going to run your DL and will soon be aware of your CCW, so why not cut out the middle man?

Just re-read my original statement and it wasn't real clear. By cutting out the middle man, I was speaking of Texas law, since CCW is required to advise any officer asking for production of DL, why not just issue one combo license to CCW licensee?

A friend and I had our rifles in the rack in my truck en route to hunting lease and I stopped at the VA in a neighboring city to run in and pick up a prescription one day. My buddy sat in truck and, while I was inside, a VA police officer asked him to cover the rifles as parking lot was gun free. Very fortunately we encountered a very understanding officer; could have ended much differently! I knew the building was gun free, but did not know it included the parking lot.

Regards,
hps
 
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Yes you are allowed to drop packages in the blue mailboxes as long as you already paid for the postage (i.e. bought postage through Amazon, PayPal, Stamps.com, etc.). Sometimes it is more convenient to do that. It's only stamped packages over a certain weight (14 ounces, maybe) that you cannot just drop into the bin.

Google search for Postal Drop Box Restriction.
Answered on Amazon Seller Central.
I'm not convinced they scan and track them if you do that. Recently I sent a letter certified return receipt, got to the post office a couple minutes too late, USPS worker helped me use the kiosk app (which compared to Pirate Ship is totally in the Dark Ages), and promised she would make sure it got into the bin. I was unable to track it using either the certified number or the return receipt number, USPS website recognized the number but didn't even report having received it, had to wait for the green card to come back to find out it had been delivered. I will attempt to find out now that you gave me a little push, if I could throw the packages into the mailbox around the corner from my house that would be a huge improvement. Some larger ones won't fit in the slot but the average one would.
 
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why not just issue one combo license to CCW licensee?

I would like to point out the following distinction:
Driving on public roads is a privilege.
Possession of firearms is a right.

I'm pretty sure about that being a basis for the separation of those permits in Wisconsin.

I know , I know ... exercising a RIGHT should not require a permit. Starting to drift here.
 
Personally I think it would make sense for it to be legal if you have a carry permit. But I have no intention of breaking the law. In fact the reason I started this thread was to find out how folks here go about complying, e.g. do you have a safe secured inside your car, if so what make and model and how did you secure it, or if no safe what do you do.
 
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There is probably a placard on the wall near the service counter. If there is no notice at the entrance but there is one inside , that would constitute a bit of a trap...

OTH , I believe that as CC permit holders we are responsible for knowing federal law such as no weapons permitted in a federal building. Been a while since I got my training but I think that was covered.
 
Personally I think it would make sense for it to be legal if you have a carry permit. But I have no intention of breaking the law. In fact the reason I started this thread was to find out how folks here go about complying, e.g. do you have a safe secured inside your car, if so what made and model and how did you secure it, or if no safe what do you do.
Reeling things back in. ;)I think you'll find that people's procedures for that vary wildly depending on where they are. The post office I most often use has two rooms and never has more than one employee working there at a time. There's a parking lot, but it's connected to the parking areas for a nearby residence and business so it's unclear where the post office property begins and ends. Common practice here seems to be park and leave the gun on the seat or floor between the seats with the doors unlocked and the engine running, at least in the winter. Obviously no one knows how many people have no idea that this is even an issue and are just carrying their weapon inside like they normally do. All that being said, I'd secure it the same way you secure it when you're going anywhere else and leaving the gun in the car. Just have to park off of postal service property. Easier said than done in some cases. A safe's not a bad idea, though it does make it harder to stow and remount the weapon discretely.
 
Yes, it does. Knowing what laws are and are not enforced always matters. What are the consequences, BTW?

Who says it's not enforced?
It seems you're assuming that it's not enforce if no one presents proof to you.



It looks like 2 yrs plus fine plus whatever you spend trying to defend yourself of the dumbness of the action.

It goes up if you're committing a crime while armed in a Post Office


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
 
Who says it's not enforced?
It seems you're assuming that it's not enforce if no one presents proof to you.



It looks like 2 yrs plus fine plus whatever you spend trying to defend yourself of the dumbness of the action.

It goes up if you're committing a crime while armed in a Post Office


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
Can you not read? I never said it wasn't enforced, I'm asking if anyone knows of a case where it was. I have no idea if it is or has been, that's why I'm asking the question. I've never heard or read of a case where it was and apparently, no one else reading this thread so far has either. That doesn't mean that it hasn't been, it may just mean that none of us has found the case yet. Regardless, I'm not sure why you seem so resistant to finding out. Deliberate ignorance is generally a bad idea, IMO.
 
Where I am, the police call in your plate number before they even speak to you.
In my case, it would show that I have a concealed carry permit.
Of course the policeman would ask if I'm carrying!
Why I don't mind Florida; CWFLs are NOT connected to your DL; two different agencies involved. Ours are issued by the Ag Commissioner's office.
 
There is probably a placard on the wall near the service counter. If there is no notice at the entrance but there is one inside , that would constitute a bit of a trap...

OTH , I believe that as CC permit holders we are responsible for knowing federal law such as no weapons permitted in a federal building. Been a while since I got my training but I think that was covered.
They are usually up on the board with the other notices. Its nothing big and really noticeable either, and easily missed if you arent paying attention.

Keep in mind too, if you believe that sign to be correct, "ALL" weapons on your person are in violation. Pocket knives and any other thing that might be construed to be a weapon falls under that. Think "metal detector" at the court house and what they will pounce on. You boys leaving your guns are leaving all that crap too, right?

In the past, and in some places, its still so, places like the federal courthouses, and our local courthouses, etc, had a lock box where you checked your gun and whatever else you had on you that was verboten. I had federal jury duty back in the late 90's, and got to walk past all those in line (and they were long lines) and the cattle chutes and just told the Marshal I had a gun and he pointed me to another Marshal where I could check it. All I needed was my permit and DL.

A friend asked to do the same after 9/11, and they werent doing it anymore. That in itself seems to be illegal to me, but, what do I know.

In our state, its a law that all courthouses have lockboxes so you can check your gun, and its supposed to be posted as such, but I havent seen that sign at our courthouse here.

Heres that specific part of the "law"....

(e) Facilities for checking firearms or other dangerous weapons.--Each county shall make available at or within the building containing a court facility by July 1, 2002, lockers or similar facilities at no charge or cost for the temporary checking of firearms by persons carrying firearms under section 6106(b) or 6109 or for the checking of other dangerous weapons that are not otherwise prohibited by law. Any individual checking a firearm, dangerous weapon or an item deemed to be a dangerous weapon at a court facility must be issued a receipt. Notice of the location of the facility shall be posted as required under subsection (d).


The big problem I see here isnt the supposed law, but the fact that we allow them to tell us we cant do something that is supposed to be a right. Of course, these days, everyone has been conditioned to do as they are told and dont question, so here we are.

And thats exactly what Im seeing here. Dont question, dont bitch, just follow the "rules" as you are "told" they are, even if they violate your rights. And it appears, more than not, are doing just that. :thumbup:

Unless they have changed that cite on the poster in the recent past, and you are not a postal employee, the lobby and public areas of the post office, fall under that "any other lawful purpose" paragraph that was at the bottom of the cite. Or it seems to me that they do, as I read it in English.

Unless too, English really isnt English, and words dont really mean what they say, if someone doesn't want them too, in the moment.

Greenspan sums it up nicely.....

“ I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant”

― Alan Greenspan

Sounds like every law on the books! ;)
 
Personally I think it would make sense for it to be legal if you have a carry permit. But I have no intention of breaking the law. In fact the reason I started this thread was to find out how folks here go about complying, e.g. do you have a safe secured inside your car, if so what make and model and how did you secure it, or if no safe what do you do.
I don't like the law but as I have said, if I am going somewhere that guns are not allowed I leave the gun at home in the safe. I do have a small lock box in the trunk but I can't remember what make it is or the last time I even used it. The key for it is on the same key ring as the ignition key though.
 
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