today's target practice pics

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Mods/admins, in all frankness, i really do not know where some of my threads/postings should be going to which board, so i know that you will move (it or them) to the appropriate location.

that being said, as i have mentioned, i have only been doing this now since Feb 22nd.

i try to go 2 times per week if i can, sometimes if i get lucky (or the wife goes to bingo), i get to go an extra day..

here are 2 pics of todays practice. i had my Glock 17 (4th gen) and my CZ 75 B.

today, and i don't know why, i had a bit of a problem with the recoil on the Glock.

i also had 2 targets per gun, and these that i am posting,. are the "better" targets for today.

I'll have a question (or 2) at the bottom of the last pic.

this is the Glock 17, and i circled the errant shot, in the bar code. apparently, i did not like the price i paid for the target..lol (i circled the errant shot

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this is the CZ 75 B, and here too, i circled the errant shots..

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i know i need to work on my grouping, and you may not believe this, but when i had the rental guns, i blew out the red centers for the glock rental and cz rental. i just do not know why i am not grouping them better.

here is the follow up question, i mentioned above that the Glock's recoil seems to be a bit of a problem. well the Glock store sells a tungsten slide spring, which does weigh more than the factory one. do you feel that it will improve my handling of the recoil better?

also, ammo used was 124 gr, Blazer and Sellier and Belloit

as always, thanks in advance.
 
I can't helpwith the Glock recoil question but one or two "strays" in so many shots isn't unheard of. Didn't mention distance or period of time in which you fired the rounds. After several rounds (or a few for that matter) regripping can affect shot placement as quick as anything. Ammo could always be a factor but doesn't seem as prevalent nowadays. EDIT... Should note, if you're experiencing "recoil issues" with any firearm, you may be subconsciously trying to compensate for it by flinching, gripping tighter, or any number of things.
 
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How many rounds and at what range?

Practice should be just that. Practice of some specific thing. What are you practicing? If you’re just reloading the magazines and punching holes in the paper, odds are that you’re suffering from fatigue. You’re grip is probably failing you.

How often do you have to readjust your grip while shooting? For me, if I’m just punching holes for the fun of it, if I have to readjust my grip, I’ll put the gun down and take a rest. The reason for having to readjust your grip is because you aren’t holding the gun tightly enough any longer due to fatigue. If you have to adjust your grip every couple of rounds, then you need to work on your grip.

As for the recoil, you can make the gun heavier, but again, look at your grip. I’m not a big guy by any stretch. 5’2” about 160 pounds and with anything 9mm except an ultra compact, I can pretty much make the gun do what I want it to in terms of recoil management. It’s all of about the grip. When you’re too tired to maintain a controlling grip, take a rest.

You should be take ten or so shots without having to readjust your grip.

Try this. Set up your target and start with your gun on the table, or holstered if allowed, draw and take two shots. Then put the gun down and take a couple of breathes, then repeat.

Muscle fatigue starts as soon as you grip the gun.
 
sorry, my bad...the range says 7 yards for handguns, 15 yards for rifles, some guys put the targets out further for some rifles they shoot.

the range does not allow rapid firing. i was at times, in D/A, but i spaced out my shots at or about 1-2 seconds apart.

i had 100 cartridges per gun. from there, i shot 50 rounds per target per gun. my rounds were 124 gr

when i had rented out thier guns, i'd blown out the centers of the targets, like these for example at again, 7 yards, 115 gr

this is thier rental CZ 75 B, with 100 rounds, 115 gr.

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this is thier rental glock (not sure if it was thier 17 gen 4 or gen 5), 100 rds, 115 grains. clearly, not as tightly groped as my own glock 17

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so even in my own opinion, it would "seem" the shooting is better with the CZ 75 B..??
 
Howland937 said:
I can't helpwith the Glock recoil question but one or two "strays" in so many shots isn't unheard of. Didn't mention distance or period of time in which you fired the rounds. After several rounds (or a few for that matter) regripping can affect shot placement as quick as anything. Ammo could always be a factor but doesn't seem as prevalent nowadays. EDIT... Should note, if you're experiencing "recoil issues" with any firearm, you may be subconsciously trying to compensate for it by flinching, gripping tighter, or any number of things.
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i was told by the range officer, when he had seen me with my glock, to "loosen up" a bit on the right hand (shooting hand) and clamp down tighter with my left hand. i am familiar with flinching, but he did not catch me doing so. but on that other day, he said to go into D/A, cuz single shots, looking at the target each time, i lose my sight on the target.?

so today, i really got more into D/A each set of 50 rounds.
 
whughett said:
Unless your a bulls eye shooter keeping score center of mass is what counts. With few exceptions those pretty much fill the bill. ;)
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thanks. i am not trying to be perfect, just trying to be "in the kill zone" and not wild. on the range, to be wild with the shots, no harm, no foul.

for home defense, i do not want to be wild.

am i making any sense with what i just said?

getting a better grouping is what i'm trying for, and also, i am under no stress, at the range.

but we all know, at home, a great deal of stress happens when you're defending family, home, yourself.
 
buddyd157 said:
i know i need to work on my grouping, and you may not believe this, but when i had the rental guns, i blew out the red centers for the glock rental and cz rental. i just do not know why i am not grouping them better.
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Good enough to drop a bad guy. The more you shoot the tighter your groups will get. To really see what you're doing wrong (we all do stuff wrong, it's why we're not all Jerry M) see about hiring a coach for a range session or two. Enjoy your days at the range!
 
FlSwampRat said:
Good enough to drop a bad guy. The more you shoot the tighter your groups will get. To really see what you're doing wrong (we all do stuff wrong, it's why we're not all Jerry M) see about hiring a coach for a range session or two. Enjoy your days at the range!
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who is this Jerry M..???

and thanks, i will ask for a coach.
 
Really learning to shoot a pistol well is a long-term project. It just takes a while. Looks like you're off to a good start. Enjoy the process, and try to see as much as you can see when the gun goes off. It's a very vision-driven activity, and learning to visually process the input you're getting from the sights really helps speed things along.
 
If I'm ever in doubt about how accurate a rifle is, I hand it to my dad and he can usually tell within 5 rounds. Likewise, if he wants to know if a handgun is gtg, he has me shoot it. Point being, if you think you're the problem, ask to shoot one of the range guns that worked well for you. Then have one someone you trust shoot yours. Highly unlikely that both your guns have an issue, BUT your other targets indicate you're capable of better accuracy...
 
FWIW , I shoot a CZ75 type handgun much better than a Glock type. Type of trigger , natural pointing tendencies , the overall look of the two very different guns all come into play.

I consider the CZ75 to be much easier to put on target than the Glock. Set the latter aside , continue to practice with the CZ.
Relax , apply gradual pressure to that trigger - be a little surprised when the gun fires sometimes. Pause occasionally , try to identify the reason for good vs bad shots, but don't sweat it. Get the "feel". It will come.
 
buddyd157 said:
i was told by the range officer, when he had seen me with my glock, to "loosen up" a bit on the right hand (shooting hand) and clamp down tighter with my left hand. i am familiar with flinching, but he did not catch me doing so. but on that other day, he said to go into D/A, cuz single shots, looking at the target each time, i lose my sight on the target.?

so today, i really got more into D/A each set of 50 rounds.
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I don't agree with this. The idea of gripping the firearm is to control it, not to roll with it. Not with a 9mm and not in a defensive situation. Why would you loosen your grip, unless you are gripping so tight that you're shaking?
 
TonyAngel said:
I don't agree with this. The idea of gripping the firearm is to control it, not to roll with it. Not with a 9mm and not in a defensive situation. Why would you loosen your grip, unless you are gripping so tight that you're shaking?
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i think that is what he may have noticed. each time i shot one round, the nose would dip down. (i was not holding steady after each shot off round)

i readjusted my grip and i was hitting the target much better.
 
There are so many self help articles, videos etc out there. Ultimately just like riding a bicycle, you got to put your time in.
Time in for this brief paragraph or two will stress, dry fire practice and ideally using action proving rounds a.k.a. ''dummy rounds; inert non-firing cartridges full sized replicas.
So much can be done with appropriate grip,lining up the sights, breathing, actuate the trigger all timed out as close to ''same'' as possible, and without the expense of firing live ammo.

You may also lookup ''pistol shooting diagnostic wheel'' for what I have called (in times past:cool:) the 'wheel of shame' hehe.

Good luck, PLEASE include safety steps i.e. NRA rules in every range session whether cold or hot. :):thumbup:
 
DoubleMag said:
You may also lookup ''pistol shooting diagnostic wheel'' for what I have called (in times past:cool:) the 'wheel of shame' hehe.
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I agree with a lot of what's in your post, but I must point out that the "diagnostic wheel" is worse than useless for most pistol shooting. That wheel was developed by and intended for one-handed NRA bullseye (or one-handed olympic) shooting. It's to help diagnose tiny errors that are showing up with a few inches of miss at 25 or 50 yards. It has NOTHING to do with 2-handed shooting at 7 or 10 yards. Literally nothing.

Trying to improve a new shooter using "the wheel" is like trying to use a Chilton's shop manual for a '74 Ford Galaxie sedan to diagnose and treat a case of lower back pain. It's incredibly dumb.

I like most of the rest of your post, just had to give my well-worn rant about "the wheel."
 
well thanks again to all.

i know that continued practice, makes for better hits. i am not trying to rush things to be 100% on target (kill area) all the time. the range man did say that trying to hot a target made of paper, several yards away just isn't all that easy for us beginners. so of course, i accept that more practice is in order. in fact, don't police have to take practice often to keep up thier shooting as well?
 
I have been shooting for 60 years, and still have to concentrate to avoid jerking the trigger.

I suspect you are shooting with a rhythm, triggering off the shots like a metronome, until the magazine is empty. Just for giggles, shoot one shot at a time; load only one round in the magazine. Then post a photo of your target.
 
buddyd157 said:
i think that is what he may have noticed. each time i shot one round, the nose would dip down. (i was not holding steady after each shot off round)

i readjusted my grip and i was hitting the target much better.
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If the nose dips down when when you hit a dry chamber, that’s called a flinch. How could he notice the nose dipping down while you’re firing and the gun is under recoil?

Well, if it works for you.
 
TonyAngel said:
If the nose dips down when when you hit a dry chamber, that’s called a flinch. How could he notice the nose dipping down while you’re firing and the gun is under recoil?

Well, if it works for you.
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he was standing just behind me. if i recall, he did call it a flinch, but as i also recall, both my eyes were open.
 
sparkyv said:
Are the CZ and Glock new, properly through a break-in period? ...reaching for straws here...

Enjoy! I get to the range an average of twice per month!
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the glock (as of yesterday) has...810 rounds

the cz (as of yesterday) has...460 rounds


there has been a mix of 115 gr and 124 gr ammo. Federal, Magtec, Blazer, and S&B thus far. with S&B soon to be my #1 choice for rounds.

as far as any "break in period", both paces i bought these guns said basically, "Load, aim, shoot...and make sure you have fun"
 
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