limiting ammunition rounds.?

In today's day and age the fact that your even contributing to a gun rights organization is commendable. Give what you can to any of them and at least know you tried. Does any organization actually use our money where we would like them too?
Ammunition and capacity limits will constantly change. I wouldn't get to worried about them. We all adjust to them as we see fit. If you get scared sell off your magazines or bullets before you destroy them.

First on all don’t let the NRA hate such as here on THR worry you. The NRA is still the big dog in protecting our 2A rights.

Second I would join a State level organization.

Three be politically aware and active. Get to know and visit, call, text, email your Congress People.

See my tagline for Joe Baden's position on gun ownership.

The same people that think you don’t need 17 rounds in your magazine were at the store yesterday buying 480 rolls of toilet paper....even though, historically, they don’t use one roll in a week’s time.

The only opinion that should matter when it comes to what you think you need, is yours. Because others can’t even think for themselves, much less you.

There was a national ten round limit for ten years, 1994-2004. It didn't affect the crime rate. Very unusual for a repressive law to have an expiration date. But the antis keep trying. There are several state law limits, California and New York stick in my head, there are others.

The 1994-2004 ban didn't have much of an effect on anything. In reality the biggest difference is that AR's couldn't have threaded barrels or bayonet lugs during that 10 year period. Leaving off those features meant they weren't assault rifles.

Guns couldn't be shipped with magazines holding more than 10 rounds, but they were readily available for most common guns on the used market and perfectly legal. That was just after 40S&W was introduced and there weren't a lot of mags floating around for guys who wanted 40's. But most of those guns only held 11 rounds anyway so going to 10 wasn't much of an issue. It was only really an issue with 40 caliber, and 10mm Glocks which were supposed to hold 15 rounds.

After the ban went into effect any magazine holding over 10 rounds was stamped "Law Enforcement and Military use only". Glock, Smith, Ruger, Beretta, and most all of the major gun manufacturers went to every LE agency in the country and swapped them new stamped magazines for all of the old unmarked magazines then sold the old ones to non-LE. Same thing with the military and AR magazines plus unstamped magazines already manufactured were imported from other countries.

And another thing I never understood is why Clinton waited several months after congress passed the law before he signed it. During that time manufacturers were running 24/7 making stuff legally right up until he signed the law. +10 round magazines were everywhere and legal, although at inflated prices.

Crime rates remained stable during the great experiment, but actually declined sharply after the ban expired. It should also be noted that more AR-15 rifles were made during the ban than before. They just left off a couple of evil features.

Very unusual for a repressive law to have an expiration date.

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This is true, but even without an expiration date laws are changed, repealed, and found unconstitutional all the time. In the last 20 years there have been more gun laws passed that are pro gun rights than anti-gun. I have far more rights as to where and what I can carry than at any other time in my life.

If unreasonable laws are passed in the future they will be challenged in court. And there will be efforts to elect others who will change or repeal those laws.

First, learn how to capitalize. It gives more weight to your opinions.
Next, you're doing al the right things...join pro-gun groups, financially support their efforts, but don't forget to vote. That will ultimately have the greatest impact.

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And another thing I never understood is why Clinton waited several months after congress passed the law before he signed it. During that time manufacturers were running 24/7 making stuff legally right up until he signed the law. +10 round magazines were everywhere and legal, although at inflated prices.

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I heard it was part of the political deal made to get middle-of-the-road Democrats to vote for the bill. They could not vote against it (and go against the Democratic leadership) but they could blunt its effect.

Also, I believe the bill had no penalty for manufacturing 10+ round magazines. You could be tried and convicted for making 10+ magazines but you would not have a penalty: no fine, no prison time, no forfeiture. I am not a lawyer so I could be totally wrong about this aspect of the bill.

anyone know what a magazine capacity actually means? like for bird hunting with a shotgun, places have regulations that you can only have 2 or 3 shells capable of being loaded into the shotgun, so - people just cut a dowel and put it into the magazine tube to limit the capacity to meet whatever the specification is, but the firearm could still easily hold more shells. So, for mags, - if you have a common 15 round mag for a 92 series Beretta, and just put a block under the spring to limit how many rounds it can hold, does that satisfy say areas or states - that limit magazines to 10 rounds?

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But cut down a dowel?

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Quite often the solution back in the day.

Part# 24 on the exploded diagram of the Mossberg 500A that my folks gifted me in 1970 (HS Graduation Present) is described as, "Magazine Wood Plug" ... it is a dowel rod ... works great.

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Specialty equipment ... <chuckle>

Reminds me of something that I read about a comparison of the attitudes of the US & Soviet Space programs. The US spent, like, a million dollars to design a ball point pen that would reliably operate in space. The Soviets gave their cosmonauts pencils.

A cut down dowel is pretty typical. Federal magazine limits for migratory bird hunting have been around since the 1930’s.

My ol’ Savage 720 came to me with a wooden plug in it from a Belgium-made Auto 5 (the plug said “made in belgium” on it. It wasn’t just a stick either. It was made for this purpose. Unfortunately it had shrunk over time-I discovered that the hard way in a dove field loading up for a morning hunt. UH-OH. Since I was only a little ways from camp I was able to go back and switch guns. Later that day I made up a plug that involved a spent 16 gauge hull. Years later, that plug is still in the gun.

My opinion:
If under a 10 round magazine limit, I'd want a pistol originally designed to hold 10 rounds in mag or less. Principle.
Glock 26, 27, 33, 29, 30, 38 are examples, as is the 1911, S&W Shield. Under 10 round limit, Glock 30 (+ a spare mag) likely my pick.
What I would not want is a pistol designed to hold more than 10 rounds with a stupid artificially limited 10 round mag (Glock 19/23/22/21 are examples).

I don't bird hunt - but, I inherited an Ithaca 37a, and when I was going over it, there was a cut dowel inside the spring in the mag tube, which when I did a little research apparently was put there to restrict how many shells could be loaded. So, really all I'm wondering in terms of this thread - if it became illegal to have 15 round magazines some day, can one just modify the magazine in a similar way - to make it a 10 round magazine, and then since your firearm can only be loaded with 10 rounds at any given time, would that be satisfactory. Or better yet - when there was a ban on large cap magazines, would this solution have been sufficient. So, then instead of having to get rid of magazines, to be in compliance - one might expect to just put a plug in their magazines, to avoid legal implications.

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I have no doubt about whether people do or have ever cut down dowels. I'm just surprised, because every shotgun I've ever owned (which is not a ton, I'll grant you) came with a plug, and I just don't guess I've ever lost one and needed to cut down a dowel.

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<chuckle> It is an ODD thing.

I recall when I first detail-stripped my brand-new shotgun back in 1970 ... and found that the mag tube restrictor was a dowel rod. I turned to my Dad, held it up and said, "A dowel rod?". News to him. As I recall, he looked it over, shrugged, handed it back and replied something like, "Apparently, it works."

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I have no doubt about whether people do or have ever cut down dowels. I'm just surprised, because every shotgun I've ever owned (which is not a ton, I'll grant you) came with a plug, and I just don't guess I've ever lost one and needed to cut down a dowel.

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New ones come with a plug, used you never know. Its quick and easy to cut a dowel rod to length if you need one.

Just by way of variety of example, NJ restricted magazine capacity required permanent alteration of the magazine. Usually accomplished with a block inside the mag, glue or cement and a blind pin. Making ordinary disassembly impossible. I still have some 20 round magpuls neutered to 15 from when they where legal at the time I lived there years ago.

Just make sure that you meet your state's legal requirements. A plug may or may not.

Kind of off topic, but my first gun was a Remington model 17 shotgun, made in the 1920’s. My grandmother gave it to my dad. My dad never hunted and probably never shot it much. I started squirrel hunting with it when I was about 13. One of my friends dad heard me say it would hold 5 rounds. He told me about the law limiting shotguns to three rounds. So I made a plug out of a piece of wood. I couldn’t understand the purpose of the law because if I shot a squirrel, I immediately put in another round.
I’ve never heard of anyone wanting to limit the number of magazines you could have. Just the capacity of the magazine.
Theoretically, 10 five round magazines will still kill fifty people, same as 1 fifty rounder.

Virginia Jim said:

Kind of off topic, but my first gun was a Remington model 17 shotgun, made in the 1920’s. My grandmother gave it to my dad. My dad never hunted and probably never shot it much. I started squirrel hunting with it when I was about 13. One of my friends dad heard me say it would hold 5 rounds. He told me about the law limiting shotguns to three rounds. So I made a plug out of a piece of wood. I couldn’t understand the purpose of the law because if I shot a squirrel, I immediately put in another round.
I’ve never heard of anyone wanting to limit the number of magazines you could have. Just the capacity of the magazine.
Theoretically, 10 five round magazines will still kill fifty people, same as 1 fifty rounder.

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Generally the 3 round limit is just for waterfowl, at least here in Kentucky. You can remove the plug for hunting squirrels and rabbits. Deer too, if you use slugs.

The factory plug on my Mossberg 500 was a dowel. I don’t hunt waterfowl so it has long been repurposed or discarded.

The magazine plug for shotgun only comes with certain models. I have bought all my shotguns for self defense/home defense in mind, and none have come with a magazine plug. They can be easily picked up if you want to take your do all shotgun bird hunting.

As far as magazine restrictions, they have been largely ineffective. The Columbine massacre occurred in 1999, during the federal magazine ban of anything more than 10 rounds. One of the firearms used was a Tec-9. All three of the magazines used violated the federal magazine ban and the shooting still happened with its deadly outcome. The Hi-Point 995 carbine used in the same shooting used compliant magazines. The shooters just carried more of them.

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So, for mags, - if you have a common 15 round mag for a 92 series Beretta, and just put a block under the spring to limit how many rounds it can hold, does that satisfy say areas or states - that limit magazines to 10 rounds?

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That's going to depend on how each of those limiting laws is written.

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True that. A lot of times they'll specify that it must be altered so it cannot be returned to an illegal configuration. A block of wood can be removed, they might say it has to be tig welded or something to prevent the follower from descending too deeply in the mag ever again.