If you need proof of residence to buy guns or ammo....

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Was told at academy if your address is different than DL. You can buy a hunting license with new address and they can use that as proof of residency in GA.
 
About the college student thing:


27 C.F.R. 178.11: MEANING OF TERMS
An out-of-State college student may establish residence in a State by residing and maintaining a home in a college dormitory or in a location off-campus during the school term.
ATF Rul. 80-21
[Status of ruling: Active]
The Bureau has been asked to determine the State of residence of out-of-State college students for purposes of the Gun Control Act of 1968. “State of residence” is defined by regulation in 27 C.F.R. 178.11 as the State in which an individual regularly resides or maintains a home. The regulation also provides an example of an individual who maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. The individual regularly resides in State X except for the summer months and in State Y for the summer months of the year. The regulation states that during the time the individual actually resides in State X he is a resident of State X, and during the time he actually resides in State Y he is a resident of State Y.


Applying the above example to out-of- State college students it is held, that during the time the students actually reside in a college dormitory or at an off-campus location they are considered residents of the State where the dormitory or off-campus home is located. During the time out- of-State college students actually reside in their home State they are considered residents of their home State.​

The rule I followed when allowed to buy firearms out of state while attending university in state Y from state X. None of the documents were required to be government issued documents. I still did have to provide my State X ID in order to prove I was 21. It was not the address that was used for the ATF 4473.
 
None of the documents were required to be government issued documents.
Not this again. Proof of residence documents are required to be government-issued. Period. Read the instructions on the 4473 and also ATF Ruling 2010-6.

This is the second thread where you’ve repeated this bad information, and it’s irresponsible of you. If your dealer previously let you use non-government-issued documents, he was wrong.
 
Not this again. Proof of residence documents are required to be government-issued. Period. Read the instructions on the 4473 and also ATF Ruling 2010-6.

This is the second thread where you’ve repeated this bad information, and it’s irresponsible of you. If your dealer previously let you use non-government-issued documents, he was wrong.

The rule is literally posted right above. If you don't want to believe it, fine. I am not buying guns from you. If you want to ignore a law that is on you and dogtown whats his face.
 
The rule is literally posted right above. If you don't want to believe it, fine. I am not buying guns from you. If you want to ignore a law that is on you and dogtown whats his face.
We’ve repeatedly shown you both an official ATF Ruling and also the instructions on the 4473 that say you’re wrong. You are irresponsibly spreading bad information. Please stop. EDIT: I guess it was all in this thread.
 
We’ve repeatedly shown you both an official ATF Ruling and also the instructions on the 4473 that say you’re wrong. You are irresponsibly spreading bad information. Please stop.

No, you are incorrect. Rule, college students can buy firearms out of their home state. If all documents must be "government issue" please tell me what educational institution is a government entity. Only ones I know of are the military service academies. You are wrong. And you have been wrong. I am not going to waste any more time with you to prove a law exists.
 
This is getting ridiculous. Again, read the instructions on Form 4473, and also read ATF Ruling 2010-6. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
 
No, you are incorrect. Rule, college students can buy firearms out of their home state. If all documents must be "government issue" please tell me what educational institution is a government entity. Only ones I know of are the military service academies. You are wrong. And you have been wrong. I am not going to waste any more time with you to prove a law exists.
Probably the most ignorant post you've written yet.
The government issued document that shows buyers name and address doesn't have to be from his college or university. It could be from a government utility that you dont think exists.

I'll tell you a couple of educational institutions that are government entities:
University of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Florida..........and literally hundreds more are.

You shouldn't post anything else. You aren't looking real sharp.;)
 
I'll tell you a couple of educational institutions that are government entities:
University of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Florida..........and literally hundreds more are.

None of those are government entities. They are state funded and not run by a section of government. You are proof positive that just because someone holds an FFL, means they know the rules.

The government issued document that shows buyers name and address doesn't have to be from his college or university. It could be from a government utility that you dont think exists.

Earlier you said utilities did not count as residency documents. Try to have some consistency with your wrong information.
 
This is ridiculous. So I'm going to take a ridiculous approach to policing the thread.

Ridiculous approach to keeping this thread on the rails: The next person who posts a strawman argument in this thread gets their post deleted and an infraction as a souvenir.

It should be possible to hash this out without trying to twist the words of others who are participating in the debate. There's more at stake on this topic than just ego.

Here is a purely hypothetical example of a strawman argument: Pretending that a comment about "a government utility" actually refers to all "utilities" even though there is a clear delineation between government/public utilities and private utility companies.
 
About the college student thing:


27 C.F.R. 178.11: MEANING OF TERMS
An out-of-State college student may establish residence in a State by residing and maintaining a home in a college dormitory or in a location off-campus during the school term.
ATF Rul. 80-21
[Status of ruling: Active]
The Bureau has been asked to determine the State of residence of out-of-State college students for purposes of the Gun Control Act of 1968. “State of residence” is defined by regulation in 27 C.F.R. 178.11 as the State in which an individual regularly resides or maintains a home. The regulation also provides an example of an individual who maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. The individual regularly resides in State X except for the summer months and in State Y for the summer months of the year. The regulation states that during the time the individual actually resides in State X he is a resident of State X, and during the time he actually resides in State Y he is a resident of State Y.


Applying the above example to out-of- State college students it is held, that during the time the students actually reside in a college dormitory or at an off-campus location they are considered residents of the State where the dormitory or off-campus home is located. During the time out- of-State college students actually reside in their home State they are considered residents of their home State.​

However, most states require that once you have been in the state for 90 days you must obtain a DL (assuming you drive) from their state as well as register your vehicle in the state as well.

YET, it has been upheld that out-of-state college students are NOT required to do this, for as long as they are actively enrolled in the school. Even if they don’t return to their home state during the summer, and don’t enroll in the summer semester.
 
However, most states require that once you have been in the state for 90 days you must obtain a DL (assuming you drive) from their state as well as register your vehicle in the state as well.

YET, it has been upheld that out-of-state college students are NOT required to do this, for as long as they are actively enrolled in the school. Even if they don’t return to their home state during the summer, and don’t enroll in the summer semester.
And most colleges won’t let an out of state student pay in-state tuition even if they are renting an apartment and if they stay over the summer. The rule where I went was that you had to prove you would still be living there even if you weren’t attending college. So everybody has their own particular set of rules even within “official” bodies and one doesn’t necessarily impact the other. I was somewhat surprised that ATF takes such a liberal stance on residency for college students given their rather strict prohibitions against private firearm sales across state lines.
 
None of those are government entities. They are state funded and not run by a section of government.
Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_System
The University of Texas System (UT System) is a government entity of the state of Texas that includes 14 higher educational institutions throughout the state including eight universities and six health institutions. The UT System is headquartered in Downtown Austin, and has a total enrollment of nearly 240,000 students (largest university system in Texas) and employs 21,000 faculty and more than 83,000 health care professionals,researchers and support staff.....

You are proof positive that just because someone holds an FFL, means they know the rules.
Thank you.
It isn't that difficult.



Earlier you said utilities did not count as residency documents. Try to have some consistency with your wrong information.
No sir, in post #35 YOU wrote:
"A utility bill is not a government issued document. That is the whole point. Documents from utilities, services, contracts provide residency exemptions...".

My response in post #38 was:
"Horsehocky.
A utility bill most certainly CAN BE GOVERNMENT ISSUED...........mine is.
My water/sewer/garbage collection billing is from the City of Plano, Texas."

This thread saddens me.
 
And most colleges won’t let an out of state student pay in-state tuition even if they are renting an apartment and if they stay over the summer. The rule where I went was that you had to prove you would still be living there even if you weren’t attending college. So everybody has their own particular set of rules even within “official” bodies and one doesn’t necessarily impact the other. I was somewhat surprised that ATF takes such a liberal stance on residency for college students given their rather strict prohibitions against private firearm sales across state lines.

private gun sales are hard to regulate and prosecute unless their is very clear obvious signs of intentional deceit going on. I would be surprised to hear about very many out of state college students being arrested for a private gun sale. Especially if they could clearly establish they were attending the school and legally enrolled, and living in the dorms, or even off campus.

However, as an example, if one were living in one state and driving across the border to another state to attend school, then that might become an issue. Such as in Texarkana Texas, where students can be living in Texas and attend school on the Arkansas side. Interesting thing there is, there is a gun store that operates two locations one on the Texas side one on the Arkansas side.
 
However, as an example, if one were living in one state and driving across the border to another state to attend school, then that might become an issue. Such as in Texarkana Texas, where students can be living in Texas and attend school on the Arkansas side. Interesting thing there is, there is a gun store that operates two locations one on the Texas side one on the Arkansas side.
Clearly that's not what the ATF Ruling covers.
Again, for like the millionth time, one has to actually reside in a state for the purposes of acquiring firearms. It's not even remotely close to becoming an issue because it violates Federal law.
 
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