S&W SD9VE round count. Just hit 4k

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I lean toward Glocks .. but I know a great value when I see one .. a dependable hi-cap pistol .. from a reputable company ... at a great price ( $230) ... I will purchase it ... The SD9VE stays loaded .. stays in my den .. within reach .. it works,
I also have a Taurus G2 also .. great pistol
 
In my opinion the SD9 is the most underrated self-defense pistol on the market!

1) It's the size and weight and function of the Glock 19. Other pistols similar in size are usually heavier, and weight is a notable factor in carry.
2) Its ergonomics, grip angle, and sights are FAR superior to a factory Glock.
3) The DAO-ish type trigger is great for a self defense gun. While some enjoy a light crisp trigger like that on a Walther PPQ, such a trigger is asking for trouble in a high stress and adrenalized defensive scenario. (In fact, I own and carry a Glock 26 Gen 3 with a 3.5lb connector and a NY1 trigger to give myself that extra margin of safety against accidental discharge. The SD9 trigger is nearly identical to the 3.5lb connector/NY1 Glock trigger.)
 
For me I will stack my $367 gun up against a G19 in cost, reliability, accuracy, fit-finish and looks.
This "value gun" can do anything the Glock 19 I had can do.

Can it get 1" groups at 25 yards? My G19 can.

I've owned a bunch of S&W autos over the years and NONE of them were accurate beyond 10 yards. Yeah, yeah, I know, they are defensive pistols and don't need to be accurate at 25yds. Just excuses for inaccurate pistols and/or shooters. Ergos are fine, fit and finish are fine, triggers and accuracy are crap. They are fine pistols for those who don't wish to shoot at a higher level and just want a decent self-defense weapon.

When they start showing up in the holsters of the best competitive shooters in the world and of military and police tactical teams, then maybe you can convince me they are as good as Glocks, or even M&Ps.

In fact, when you come up with a pistol that isn't compared to the G19 as the benchmark of defensive pistols, let me know.

I bought a S&W Sigma when they first came out. I currently own three M&P pistols, one with an Apex sear and trigger work done. I don't hate them, but they aren't a Glock.
 
1) It's the size and weight and function of the Glock 19. Other pistols similar in size are usually heavier, and weight is a notable factor in carry.
it's 22.4 oz vs 23.6 oz. It's not enough weight reduction to notice in any holster that's going to be comfortable for all day carry.
2) Its ergonomics, grip angle, and sights are FAR superior to a factory Glock.
I'll give you the dovetailed steel front sight and the larger plastic rear sight being better. The other two are very subjective. I wish my SD9VE had a more aggressive grip texture.
3) The DAO-ish type trigger is great for a self defense gun. While some enjoy a light crisp trigger like that on a Walther PPQ, such a trigger is asking for trouble in a high stress and adrenalized defensive scenario. (In fact, I own and carry a Glock 26 Gen 3 with a 3.5lb connector and a NY1 trigger to give myself that extra margin of safety against accidental discharge. The SD9 trigger is nearly identical to the 3.5lb connector/NY1 Glock trigger.)
SIG's DAK (semi-light DAO) trigger has a short reset after the first shot because their research showed that many shooters short stroke the trigger under stress. Even with a NY1 and a 3.5 lb connector a Glock has a shorter reset than an SD, and Glocks have the tactile reset that the SD lacks. Also, what you're saying is really an advantage for Glocks: With just a few dollars in OEM parts, doing armorer level drop-ins (not gunsmithing), you can set up a Glock trigger just about any way you want it. Even with an APEX trigger you're still stuck with the long reset on an SD.

To reiterate: I really like my SD, but there are reasons that more expensive pistols are more expensive.
 
ugaarguy,
1) I was saying the SD9 was similar in weight to the Glock 19, not different. And, I'm saying that other Glock 19 competitors are usually heavier.
2) Oh yes, it is subjective just like 99% of the views here. However, Glock rarely wins popular accolades for its 2x4 like ergonomics.
3) Yes, the reset on the Glock (with or without the connector/NY1) is shorter/better. But, my point is that the longer/heavier "Self-Defense Trigger" of the SD9 can reduce the likelihood of accidental discharge in a high stress situation.

I have, use, and like both the Glock and the SD9, and hold to the opinion that the SD9 is greatly underrated. I will gladly recommend the SD9 to anyone shopping at its price point.
 
For $300...I'd spend another $50 and get an M&P 2.0 Compact. Now you're at $350 but I personally think it's a nicer pistol than a G5 19. You will have to shop a bit for that price, though. Just walk into Cabelas and it'll probably cost more like $500.
 
If you have shoot a lot of DA revolver the trigger in the SD9VE will not bother you. With use it smoothes up and get a bit lighter. My only complaint is the take down dingus, too short and it makes what should be an easy Glock type field strip a pain in the butt.
 
My only complaint is the take down dingus, too short and it makes what should be an easy Glock type field strip a pain in the butt.
Dingus, I like it. Glock calls it a slide lock. There a YouTube videos with guys putting aftermarket Glock extended slide locks in the SD pistols. Apparently they work. Hope that helps you out.
 
Everyone is different. And everyone has a right to their opinon. Many have drank the Kool Aid though. They think and read all the hype and ad's on expensive guns and believe thats what it takes to have a good solid reliable weapon. It just ain't true these days. I'll shoot against anyone other than a professonal shooter with my SD and someone with a Glock 19, 17 or what ever. We can shoot from 3yds to the 20yd line. (self defense shooting scenarios) 115 gr to 147's. I'll hit center mass all the time. and keep my grouping pretty darn tight. Now my competetion Im sure will be able to do the same for the most part,
It's like hunting deer with a 30-06 and a 270. They both kill and both shoot flat and they both are solid calibers. One may shoot a bit flatter, the other hit a bit harded. But in the end they are reliable and get the job done. Same with the SD stacked up against the G19. Dont get caught up in the hype of a "GLOCK". It is a solid gun all the way around. So is the SD. The SD is just newer and a couple hundred $$ less expensive.
 
The SD series are good pistols. I have one. I like it. I'm not going to sell it. It's not as good as a Glock. If the SD was as good as a Glock, S&W wouldn't be selling the M&P to compete. I've laid out the objective differences. If you continue insinuate that Glock owners are Kool Aid drinkers who've bought into hype, then we're quickly heading out of the bounds of civil discussion.
 
Then out of bounds we go. I do believe a large following of Glock owners, Sig, Kimber and so many others buy into the hype and ad's that tout their product. It's called Marketing. And these companies do a good job of it. But a Glock in my humble (or not so) humble opinion is not better then the SD9VE in the grand scheme.
 
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