Why is there a gun and ammo panic now?

D.B. Cooper said:

I'm pretty late to the discussion, but, after reading many of the comments, I see a pattern. It seems most of us agree that people are buying guns for the "just in case" that law enforcement isn't up to the task of protecting them (for whatever reason). Here is MY question: What good is it going to do someone to own a gun? My state, and I think every state in which I've ever lived, makes it a felony to use lethal force to protect property. So the neighbor stealing your stuff can't legally be stopped and, if you do, you get to go to prison.

Other than that, yeah it's obvious why people are buying guns. And food. (I got nothing for you on why they're buying tp.)

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I would not shoot someone over stuff. Most of my stuff is in my house. If you enter my house to get my stuff despite the three dogs barking and someone obviously home, I think it is a safe assumption you are prepared to perpetrate violence in the process of taking my stuff. That being the case, you are getting shot and I am covered by my state's make my day law.

Otoh, I have plenty of stuff and I am happy to share with any friend or neighbor in need. Hopefully that is as far as it goes.

If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. - Ronald Reagan.

I no longer believe people are buying guns because of the ""just in case" that law enforcement isn't up to the task" reasoning. The people are waking up to their loss of freedoms.

D.B. Cooper said:

people are buying guns for the "just in case" that law enforcement isn't up to the task of protecting them

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Tampa PD has officers with confirmed cases of CORVID-19 and a bunch in self quarantine.
EMS and police can become a moot point if they get sick. No one left to serve and protect.

D.B. Cooper said:

I'm pretty late to the discussion, but, after reading many of the comments, I see a pattern. It seems most of us agree that people are buying guns for the "just in case" that law enforcement isn't up to the task of protecting them (for whatever reason). Here is MY question: What good is it going to do someone to own a gun? My state, and I think every state in which I've ever lived, makes it a felony to use lethal force to protect property. So the neighbor stealing your stuff can't legally be stopped and, if you do, you get to go to prison.

Other than that, yeah it's obvious why people are buying guns. And food. (I got nothing for you on why they're buying tp.)

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Which state? Depends..for info

https://www.propublica.org/article/...sweeping-self-defense-laws-just-like-floridas

Correct that if a guy is trying to steal your car(here in Colorado), you can't just shoot him, but if he shows a weapon, like a knife, then..all bets are off. PLUS, if he's in your house..then yes, you can use a gun.

https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/self_defense.html#1.1

Shanghai McCoy said:

I went to 6 different stores in three towns today in search of yeast...
Never found any either. (The wife wanted to make pizza.)

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Like most, I have a lot of time at home on my hands. So I tried to find some yeast to make some wine with. I had to buy a 4 ounce jar (about 8x what I need), and that was the only yeast available. The lone jar was pushed to the back of the shelf and difficult to see.


On topic: Why is there a gun and ammo panic now? Because a lot of people who maybe didn't realize it previously are figuring out that eventually the least prepared will probably become the most desperate. I pray for us all.

Those of us who got to see the 1992 Los Angeles riots first hand understand just how thin the veneer of "civilization" can be. The Korean shop keepers on the roofs of their businesses were an example of why having guns around is a good idea.

Heck if I know why people think they need to stock up on weaponry during a viral pandemic. It is not like you can shoot the micro organisms.



I wish they would stop panic buying all the eggs in the grocery store.

P5 Guy said:

Tampa PD has officers with confirmed cases of CORVID-19 and a bunch in self quarantine.
EMS and police can become a moot point if they get sick. No one left to serve and protect.

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PS Guy, Has offered the best tangible example of what is happening on the ground that would accelerate the felt need to better protect yourself. In general, we are all feeling more vulnerable. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is in one way or another stocking up (food, ammo, toilet paper) or checking your private inventory of these items. If not actually counting them (as I did) you are doing a mental inventory.

tipoc remarked,

"Crime has declined in the last month."

Or:

"Responding to and reporting crime has declined in the last month."

Take your pick.

Terry, 230RN

tubeshooter said:

Like most, I have a lot of time at home on my hands. So I tried to find some yeast to make some wine with. I had to buy a 4 ounce jar (about 8x what I need), and that was the only yeast available. The lone jar was pushed to the back of the shelf and difficult to see.


On topic: Why is there a gun and ammo panic now? Because a lot of people who maybe didn't realize it previously are figuring out that eventually the least prepared will probably become the most desperate. I pray for us all.

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Bread yeast to make wine? Nasty. Why not get the correct yeast. https://fhsteinbart.com/product-cat...rial-cultures/?filter_yeast-culture-type=wine

Well, I spent two rounds of 22 on a coon early this morning but I think I'll still be OK ammo wise...

Oh, and the wife found a way to make dough without yeast so had that pizza last night after all.

Texas10mm said:

Bread yeast to make wine? Nasty. Why not get the correct yeast. https://fhsteinbart.com/product-cat...rial-cultures/?filter_yeast-culture-type=wine

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I would say "thanks for the link", but...

I don't use a hydrometer, glass carboy or airlock either. The horror!
I reckon I am just an unenlightened deplorable. Please forgive me. Or don't!


Back on topic...

On crime drop. San Jose
https://kfox.com/richie/less-crime-in-san-jose/

Los Angeles

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-27/coronavirus-crime-lapd-reports-drop-march

Chicago

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0200327-yfkunl2ztbcjdbjz2r6u3yjcdm-story.html

This drop has been sharp and due to the "shelter in place" orders. This has made it easy for police to note groups of people in the streets. Also easier to stop vehicles full of people going some where. Which since the weekend before last (when people crowded beaches and parks) has been rarer. It also means more people and their neighbors at home. Restaurants closed, etc. So at least for now a good deal of crime has slowed down leading to a drop in petty crime that's being seen across the country.

Course other crime rises. When a nurses union discovered a warehouse full of face masks in Philly (IIRC) the other day, where millions of face masks were being stored and not sold or distributed, the owner was forced to begin selling them. Normally sold for less than a dollar a piece, and less in bulk, he began selling them for $5. a piece and is still doing so. That's a bigger crime at this time then robbing a liquor store, which right now is rare.

Right now the price of medical supplies is being jacked up artificially. Demand is great so profit is great. This has led the states into bidding wars over the supplies. This means the wealthier states can outbid the poorer. New York over Kentucky, Florida over Kansas. People's lives, jobs and homes at stake.

I have confidence in the mass of the people. I've seen it over and over again. We can fight, organize and defend ourselves. This is not a natural disaster. It's a social disaster. That can be fought if we work together. Demand docs and nurses get what they need.That hospitols get what they need now. Demand widespread testing. Demand more hospitals and care centers. Demand PPE for workers on the job. Demand that farmers and farm workers get safety equipment and health care. Demand the same for truckers so that the food chain remains intact. Demand that the power stations and waters station workers have PPEs and health care. Demand the same for first responders. Demand that a co-ordinated program for developing a virus be begun rather a pissant race by individual companies in a fight over a patent and profit.

Sniper66 said:

P5 Guy said:

Tampa PD has officers with confirmed cases of CORVID-19 and a bunch in self quarantine.
EMS and police can become a moot point if they get sick. No one left to serve and protect.

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PS Guy, Has offered the best tangible example of what is happening on the ground that would accelerate the felt need to better protect yourself.

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+ 1000.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, is being "WOKE" to the realization and reality of when Law Enforcement and National Guard cannot maintain law and order, it is up to "US" to individually provide self protection in defense of our lives and lives of our families/loved ones.

Even the anti-gun crowd, especially concentrated in high density population urban/suburban areas of countless metropolis and cities, must come to grips with practical reality of needing to protect themselves ... And very quickly will understand firearms being the "Great Equalizer".

For many of us gun owners, this is already understood and why we support gun rights and 2A but spiking number of those who never owned a gun before will now join us and become gun owners ... with far reaching ramifications of now needing to support gun rights/2A if they want to keep the guns they just bought.

So as these new gun owners who come from Boomer to Millennial Gen X/Y/Z generations representing progressives, feminists/MGTOW, minorities, LGBTQ, elderly/AARP and disabled/ADA, etc., they will make the same determination about gun ownership as self-defense right and become vehement supporters of gun rights/2A as outlined already in this "retraining" thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/re-training-of-firearms-related-information.849620/

And of course, we all know about the past history of when disasters/emergencies struck and LE/NG could not maintain law and order and "We the People" had to fend for ourselves. The "WOKE" generations of new gun owners are driving current run on guns soon to become our allies joining our fight for gun rights/2A - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-7#post-11429332

It's the silver lining to the dark coronavirus cloud that has disrupted our lives.

Slamfire said:

Heck if I know why people think they need to stock up on weaponry during a viral pandemic. It is not like you can shoot the micro organisms.

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I wish they would stop panic buying all the eggs in the grocery store.

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Sarc on/
Don't you know that is from people making their own COV-19 vaccines via implanting eggs in their own homes!!!. You need to pick up the emanations from the Chosen ones (can't remember whether they are the Greys or Green aliens) for the recipe so make sure to tune your foil cap to the right frequency!!! /Sarc off

Detroit, Michigan. 556 Detroit Police Department employees, including 468 sworn members, into quarantine as of Friday. 39 officers had tested positive for COVID-19 and the department previously announced the deaths of two members, including one commander (captain of a precinct).

That's well over 20% of that department's force. Pretty sure that's affecting response times, and pretty sure there's a lot of undetected and unreported crime going on. We've got a rash of break-ins and vandalism of closed businesses, restaurants and bars here in Seattle (and we all know there's no crime in Seattle). But the governors of both these states say gunshops are not essential businesses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...-detroit-police-pancake-breakfast/2931224001/

Old Dog said:

That's well over 20% of that department's force. Pretty sure that's affecting response times, and pretty sure there's a lot of undetected and unreported crime going on. We've got a rash of break-ins and vandalism of closed businesses, restaurants and bars here in Seattle (and we all know there's no crime in Seattle). But the governors of both these states say gunshops are not essential businesses.

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You just made me wonder about my brother. He was in LA during the riots in '92. He made a comment about hunkering down with his Mini-14 while that was going on. He lives in Bellingham now.

Slamfire said:

Heck if I know why people think they need to stock up on weaponry during a viral pandemic. It is not like you can shoot the micro organisms.

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It's not that you need ammo that much for shooting, it's so you can trade it for toilet paper when the time comes. (5 rounds = 1 roll of TP)

Rembrandt said:

5 rounds = 1 roll of TP

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If it takes you 5 rounds, you must not be a good shot.

Just kidding!

In Florida all gun shops are open and advertising. Whatever inventory of semi auto pistols and AR's are probably selling as fast as they come in, probably for a premium. No doubt that the Gunshine state is one of the biggest market for black rifles in the US. Not sure where the majority of AR's are manufactured now but any who are not in a quarantine zone are probably glad they didn't shut down operation when the market got saturated. It is time to run that machinery 23/7 and meet the demand. Hopefully quality does not drop.

Has California-stan begun to expect LEOs to avoid Responding to property crimes below a certain (>> i.e. <<) $1,000 threshold value?

If many of their officers somehow get sick---combining the Corona with regular conditions which hospitals must delay treating---there could easily be larger mobs than what are already known to sometimes ransack a store, vastly outnumbering people who witness it.
This already happened in sporadic cases in what we can call "urban areas", in or near ghettos.

LiveLife said:

with far reaching ramifications of now needing to support gun rights/2A if they want to keep the guns they just bought.

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That would be great, and even though I'm a bit of a pessimist, I'm hopeful that when this is over, there will be more people supporting gun rights/2A. However, it still ticks me off a little that all of those people that have bought, and will buy their first gun during this crisis wouldn't have been able to do so if it wasn't for us, people like you and me, that have been standing up and supporting gun rights/2A all along. Furthermore, I figure that many of those people who bought, or will buy there first gun during this crisis are the very people we have been standing up to in support of their and our gun rights/2A.

Having watched our gun rights erode away in California for past several decades, I don't mind if late comers like the Millennial/Gen Z, even Gen X/Boomer AARP convert to support gun rights/2A now as gun owners.

Why?

They are pros at organizing, letter/email writing, phone calling, mobilizing, sign making and protesting ... now for guns rights and 2A.

And many of them have good jobs and have A LOT of money they WILL donate to protect their guns now.

Besides, many of them will be our gun rights/2A future and we MUST welcome them with open arms ... They are now our allies in our war against the antis.

LiveLife said:

And many of them have good jobs and have A LOT of money they WILL donate to protect their guns now.

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As I said, I hope so.

No one thinks you can shoot a virus, but if that virus sickens enough people that the food supply is iffy, then the big mystery of why somebody would want a gun will be solved.