Why is there a gun and ammo panic now?

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I missed the riot in Detriot in 42 ( i didn't live in downtown)
I was in the riot in 67---always interesting being shot at driving down I-94 in Detriot ( 44 killed) I was in the city for many years--always carried a gun--saved my tale a few times
 
HOWARD J said:
I missed the riot in Detriot in 42 ( i didn't live in downtown)
I was in the riot in 67---always interesting being shot at driving down I-94 in Detriot ( 44 killed) I was in the city for many years--always carried a gun--saved my tale a few times
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Coworker friend was MP in the Air Force and got deployed for the LA riots.

He was "informally" told to bring whatever gun he wanted with as much ammo as they could carry in the armored vehicles. He packed his 870 shotgun along with pistols and A LOT of ammo while others did the same. He said they formed a perimeter line with all of their weapons loaded with vehicle packed to the hilt with extra ammunition.

But when he faced the rioters approach the perimeter line and was able to see the anger on their faces, he was for the first time in his life (He is a 6 foot big dude and fearless native) scared out of his pants along with all the other servicemen and literally BELIEVED they didn't have enough ammunition to defend the perimeter line and should have packed more adult briefs. (Diapers are great when you crap your pants or don't have time to pee)
 
tipoc said:
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Course other crime rises. When a nurses union discovered a warehouse full of face masks in Philly (IIRC) the other day, where millions of face masks were being stored and not sold or distributed, the owner was forced to begin selling them. Normally sold for less than a dollar a piece, and less in bulk, he began selling them for $5. a piece and is still doing so. That's a bigger crime at this time then robbing a liquor store, which right now is rare.

Right now the price of medical supplies is being jacked up artificially. Demand is great so profit is great. This has led the states into bidding wars over the supplies. This means the wealthier states can outbid the poorer. New York over Kentucky, Florida over Kansas. People's lives, jobs and homes at stake.

I have confidence in the mass of the people. I've seen it over and over again. We can fight, organize and defend ourselves. This is not a natural disaster. It's a social disaster. That can be fought if we work together. Demand docs and nurses get what they need.That hospitols get what they need now. Demand widespread testing. Demand more hospitals and care centers. Demand PPE for workers on the job. Demand that farmers and farm workers get safety equipment and health care. Demand the same for truckers so that the food chain remains intact. Demand that the power stations and waters station workers have PPEs and health care. Demand the same for first responders. Demand that a co-ordinated program for developing a virus be begun rather a pissant race by individual companies in a fight over a patent and profit.
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Da, Comrade!
 
tipoc said:
On crime drop. San Jose
https://kfox.com/richie/less-crime-in-san-jose/

Los Angeles

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-27/coronavirus-crime-lapd-reports-drop-march

Chicago

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0200327-yfkunl2ztbcjdbjz2r6u3yjcdm-story.html

This drop has been sharp and due to the "shelter in place" orders. This has made it easy for police to note groups of people in the streets. Also easier to stop vehicles full of people going some where. Which since the weekend before last (when people crowded beaches and parks) has been rarer. It also means more people and their neighbors at home. Restaurants closed, etc. So at least for now a good deal of crime has slowed down leading to a drop in petty crime that's being seen across the country.

Course other crime rises. When a nurses union discovered a warehouse full of face masks in Philly (IIRC) the other day, where millions of face masks were being stored and not sold or distributed, the owner was forced to begin selling them. Normally sold for less than a dollar a piece, and less in bulk, he began selling them for $5. a piece and is still doing so. That's a bigger crime at this time then robbing a liquor store, which right now is rare.

Right now the price of medical supplies is being jacked up artificially. Demand is great so profit is great. This has led the states into bidding wars over the supplies. This means the wealthier states can outbid the poorer. New York over Kentucky, Florida over Kansas. People's lives, jobs and homes at stake.

I have confidence in the mass of the people. I've seen it over and over again. We can fight, organize and defend ourselves. This is not a natural disaster. It's a social disaster. That can be fought if we work together. Demand docs and nurses get what they need.That hospitols get what they need now. Demand widespread testing. Demand more hospitals and care centers. Demand PPE for workers on the job. Demand that farmers and farm workers get safety equipment and health care. Demand the same for truckers so that the food chain remains intact. Demand that the power stations and waters station workers have PPEs and health care. Demand the same for first responders. Demand that a co-ordinated program for developing a virus be begun rather a pissant race by individual companies in a fight over a patent and profit.
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Actually where I live crime is rising because all of the "misguided yutes" are home from school.

As for your demands, I see that communist crap all the time on Change.Org where everyone thinks that what THEY demand should be provided immediately and for free.
TANSTAAFL; remember that
 
Crime has seen a noticeable drop in my area, due largely to to the two major universities in the area going online and telling students not to come back after spring break. I listen to a scanner at work for 12 hours a day and it was virtually silent last night when it is usually non-stop calls for everything from passed out college kids to gunshots reported.

Had some high school kids vandalizing a construction site last night and one drunk college kid got tazed in a dorm. Extremely slow.
 
Slamfire said:
Heck if I know why people think they need to stock up on weaponry during a viral pandemic. It is not like you can shoot the micro organisms.

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I wish they would stop panic buying all the eggs in the grocery store.
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:scrutiny: No one is thinking they're going to use 5.56mm on a thing one micron in diameter.

They're worried about human behaviour in a societal collapse or even criminal action in a disaster.
 
For rural areas and maybe many suburban areas, if many Sheriffs' Departments soon include a serious fraction of sick people, then the Thinner Blue Line will become apparent to thugs, although thugs realize that rural people almost always keep a gun in the home. But such a huge segment of rural areas seem to be the elderly or barely 'mobile'.

Every day's Wall Street Journal's main section seldom covers any other topic, unless psychos find more excuses to commit mass-murder in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan.
The only normal sections now are the Review and Lifestyle etc, in the Friday editions.

Lyle Wyatt: your #131 remarks remind me of my photo of "roof Koreans", committed to protecting their businesses during the LA Race Riots.
I've not learned how to copy/past a quotation.
 
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D.B. Cooper said:
I'm pretty late to the discussion, but, after reading many of the comments, I see a pattern. It seems most of us agree that people are buying guns for the "just in case" that law enforcement isn't up to the task of protecting them (for whatever reason). Here is MY question: What good is it going to do someone to own a gun? My state, and I think every state in which I've ever lived, makes it a felony to use lethal force to protect property. So the neighbor stealing your stuff can't legally be stopped and, if you do, you get to go to prison.

Other than that, yeah it's obvious why people are buying guns. And food. (I got nothing for you on why they're buying tp.)
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where i live pretty sure if you are being robbed you can shoot the perp without much concern.
 
The "WOKE" generations of new gun owners are driving current run on guns soon to become our allies joining our fight for gun rights/2A -
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Doubt that. Vast majority of these new gun owners not only don't know anything about the 2A, but also don't really care. All they know is that
-it's legal to buy a gun
-they have a clean record
-they have the $

Once this is over, they will wonder why they bought the thing and their next research will be either how to store(and not shoot it) or how to sell it.
2A crusaders? Doubt it.
 
We don’t know what is truth, half lies or lies.

If there is an unstoppable food shortage coming will the media or any elected official even tell us? If there is a second strain or second wave which is deadlier will anybody tell us?

Of course the food supply chain is immune to this virus so there’s no way the grocery shelves will get emptier. And viruses never mutate so no problem there. (sarcasm)

Guns and ammo are selling for several reasons but one of them is definitely that people don’t know what to believe or when to believe it. The media is a pathetic joke. Anybody that thinks they know everything that’s currently going on is fooling themselves or is in denial. Hopefully it’s more over hyped BS but only time will tell.
 
FFGCOLORADO said:
Doubt that. Vast majority of these new gun owners not only don't know anything about the 2A, but also don't really care.

Once this is over, they will wonder why they bought the thing and their next research will be either how to store(and not shoot it) or how to sell it.
2A crusaders? Doubt it.
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I have worked with many of "them" and particularly the antis during my life spent in CA growing up and 25 years working for the state government.

I particularly focused my attention on younger progressive Millennial and Gen Z generations. One thing I have noticed is that they are often driven by a cause, which drive them to focus their time researching, sharing, organizing, fundraising, mobilizing and protesting to "raise awareness" and talk non-stop about it.

For the hundreds of these young generations I have interacted with along with lifelong liberal anti-gun feminists, LGBTQ, elderly/AARP and physically disabled/ADA who never owned a gun before, when they come to the ultimate realization that gun ownership is ESSENTIAL to protect oneself when police cannot provide PERSONAL PROTECTION.

So the act of purchasing a gun is a secondary response to what fundamentally changed in their minds, not the other way around. They purchased guns due to realization for the need for personal protection and not simply because of the coronavirus panic. And even after the coronavirus, the need for personal protection would remain as there will always be other disasters/emergencies that occur on ongoing basis to not allow police to maintain law and order (Like hurricanes, riots, etc.). This is the act of being "WOKE" that will prompt them to buy guns and once they are "WOKE", they will apply their normal behavior of researching, sharing, organizing, fundraising, mobilizing and protesting to "raise awareness" and talk non-stop about right to self-protection as "rights" issue.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-7#post-11429332

LiveLife said:
Having watched our gun rights erode away in California for past several decades, I don't mind if late comers like the Millennial/Gen Z, even Gen X/Boomer AARP convert to support gun rights/2A now as gun owners.

Why?

They are pros at organizing, letter/email writing, phone calling, mobilizing, sign making and protesting ... now for guns rights and 2A.

And many of them have good jobs and have A LOT of money they WILL donate to protect their guns now.

Besides, many of them will be our gun rights/2A future and we MUST welcome them with open arms ... They are now our allies in our war against the antis.
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LiveLife said:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-7#post-11429332
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(Maybe even while they are filling out the paper work to buy the guns as told by gun store staff/other customers) that in order to keep their guns (AR15 and "ANY" capacity magazines, etc. they are buying), they must now choose law makers/presidents who are pro-gun/2A.
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That's fine but I doubt it. I've bought a fair amount of guns and gun stuff from a lot of LGS' and I have never heard ANY political statement of any kind from any of them.

'In Order To Keep Their Guns'...Tell me how, considering the structure of buying a gun(records kept by LGS, NOT a national data base), considering the manpower and $ that would be involved(YUGE!!), how does any government confiscate 400 MILLION guns..and even if there IS a AR ban, the last one was grandfathered and the next one will be too..a statement of my opinion, not the validity of the ban...

What are people buying in this latest panic buying? Handguns, almost exclusively.

I think it is wildly optimistic to think these brand new, virus influenced, gun buyers will become a bunch of 2A crusaders...They are more worried about their jobs and their health. Pro 2A stuff is pretty far down on their agenda. PLUS..they found it was pretty darn easy to buy a gun..they'll think the 2A is alive and well.
 
FFGCOLORADO said:
What are people buying in this latest panic buying? Handguns, almost exclusively.
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No, many are also buying ARs and PCCs - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-7#post-11429332
LiveLife said:
He had never bought a gun before ... [and bought] two of them: 9mm Taurus handgun and AR-15 semi-automatic rifle
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FFGCOLORADO said:
I think it is wildly optimistic to think these brand new, virus influenced, gun buyers will become a bunch of 2A crusaders...They are more worried about their jobs and their health. Pro 2A stuff is pretty far down on their agenda.
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I used to think like you but people can and do change.

When the federal judge released inmates from CA prisons due to "overcrowding", crime rates in various cities/counties soared and the city/county I lived in during that time, violent crime increased 37 percent.

When I returned back to work after a week long survey (I worked as federally trained L&C surveyor for the state government among other jobs of compliance coordinator/supervisor/project manager/director of facility) one time, I was met by a group of coworkers who were anti-gun yet they demanded I teach them how to shoot (as I shot USPSA matches for quite a few years). Surprised that my anti-gun coworkers now wanted to buy guns, I asked what changed. They told me that they were either victims of burglary/robbery/rape/violent crime or knew someone who were - Everyone in the work office was affected, some with teary eyes.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/trigger-control.834737/page-2#post-11244660

So I took them to the range and taught them the shooting basics and some advanced shooting techniques that I used for USPSA along with defensive point shooting. Everyone of them bought guns and most of them obtained carry permits and excitedly showed me the guns they bought. These life-long anti-gun voters now had a new purpose in life, to become gun-rights advocate and they pursued with vengeance.

To my surprise, some of them actually voted for Trump in 2016 so as to protect their new found gun rights, to be able to protect themselves when police response is not fast enough when their doors were being kicked in by multiple armed gang members who raped/killed homeowners even though they cooperated. And one by one, they expanded their gun ownership from pistols to carbines/rifles.
 
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To my surprise, some of them actually voted for Trump in 2016 so as to protect their new found gun rights, to be able to protect themselves when police response is not fast enough when their doors were being kicked in by multiple armed gang members who raped/killed homeowners even though they cooperated. And one by one, they expanded their gun ownership from pistols to carbines/rifles.
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Are they paying attention? Trump-
-21yo gun buying minimum age
-UBC
-RFL
-Bump stop ban
No, many are also buying ARs and PCCs
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Sure, many are but MOST are buying a handgun.

People coming into gun sports are often, more often than not, NOT 'anti-gun gun grabbers' but just aren't involved in shooting as a pass time. I know that MANY/Most of the people I know around here, NONE own guns, NONE are 'anti gun gun grabbers'. My neighbor asked me about 3 weeks ago about buying a gun..because of what's going on. He is not 'anti gun', just not on his radar. He'll probably buy a gun..become a 2A crusader?...probably not.

People buying guns are scared and worried. As I mentioned, they see the 2A as being alive and well, since their experience in buying their first gun was pretty darn easy..
 
FFGCOLORADO said:
People buying guns are scared and worried.
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Since you are new to "The High Road", let me share with you my sentiment towards gun rights and the Second Amendment I have learned from THR members and moderators/staff/admins over the decade - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?pages/code-of-conduct/

"Welcome to The High Road, an online discussion board dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership. It is the declared mission of this board to achieve and provide the highest quality of firearms discussion on the Internet ..."
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While there may be truths and accuracy to what people post and say, will that advance the responsible gun ownership in support of gun rights/2A? Imagine one of these young gun buyers reading your posts, what response and feelings would your comments evoke?

Yes, coronavirus got a lot of people scared and likely drove some to buy guns that they would otherwise never have done. But once they become gun owners, they will start to research and seek out information about owning guns, shooting guns and possibly pursuit it as a new hobby. In their search for information, they may come to THR as our discussion threads, particularly Handloading & Reloading myth busting threads and technical threads often come up high on Google/search engine searches and referenced by other gun forums - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-10966692

So in "High Road" spirit and fashion, we should conduct ourselves and post our comments in inviting manner so as to speak to these new gun owners to not alienate but to welcome. As our war against the antis is not over and we are facing our "D-Day" judicial test as we fight for the continuation of federal court appointments and the Supreme Court justice replacement who will have final say about the future of gun rights/2A.

Keep in mind, the younger generations of gun owners are OUR FUTURE. By welcoming and properly educating them about gun ownership and gun rights/2A, we are better securing the future of our children and grandchildren. We need to speak softly and kindly so as to not turn them away at a time when we need as many allies as we can to fight for and secure the future of everyone's gun rights.
 
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when they come to the ultimate realization that gun ownership is ESSENTIAL to protect oneself when police cannot provide PERSONAL PROTECTION.
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Certainly agree with that. I EDC, everyday, all day.
They purchased guns due to realization for the need for personal protection and not simply because of the coronavirus panic.
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Agree but these are related. Before, most didn't see the need to buy a gun, why they hadn't up to that point.
This is the act of being "WOKE" that will prompt them to buy guns and once they are "WOKE", they will apply their normal behavior of researching, sharing, organizing, fundraising, mobilizing and protesting to "raise awareness" and talk non-stop about right to self-protection as "rights" issue.
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Ha..you are way more optimistic than I am..MOST of these people are buying a gun, 'just in case'..and once the 'case' has been reduced and normalcy continues to improve, these people, who saw buying a gun was REALLY EASY, won't be raising awareness about the 2A. YES, lots of gun buying and since we are mentioning anecdotal things..NONE of the people I yak with around here, except my neighbor, have mentioned that they 'need' to go buy a gun...

You can stop referencing your previous post also..read it..referenced part of it.
So in "High Road" spirit and fashion, we should conduct ourselves and post our comments in inviting manner so as to speak to these new gun owners to not alienate but to welcome[/QUOTE]
But once they become gun owners, they will start to research and seek out information about owning guns, shooting guns and possibly pursuit it as a new hobby.
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'Possibly' is the operative word..Some will, most will not. That's NOT derogatory, that's just an observation.

That's quite a reach. You seen to have me pegged and seem to see me as somebody who "So in "High Road" spirit and fashion, we should conduct ourselves and post our comments in inviting manner so as to speak to these new gun owners to not alienate but to welcome". How is that alienating anybody? It is simply my observation. By saying a brand new gun owner may not be a 2A crusader is not alienating anybody, just an observation.
 
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FFGCOLORADO said:
Ha..you are way more optimistic than I am..MOST of these people are buying a gun, 'just in case'..and once the 'case' has been reduced and normalcy continues to improve, these people, who saw buying a gun was REALLY EASY, won't be raising awareness about the 2A.
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How can you be so certain?

Keep in mind that many of us gun rights activists and 2A supporters on THR were just like them, young uninformed misinformed first time gun buyers who later became informed and properly educated about gun rights and 2A.

And your comments may not fulfill the mission and goals of THR as you do not know how these new gun owners will change in the future in support of gun rights/2A. During my 20s, many new gun owners bought cheap sub $100 Makarovs and Moisins because it was so affordable and "easy" to buy yet many of these new gun owners are now active gun rights/2A supporters who have bought many more guns and pursue gun ownership as a hobby and for some, a passion.

"Since you are new to "The High Road", let me share with you my sentiment towards gun rights and the Second Amendment I have learned from THR members and moderators/staff/admins over the decade - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?pages/code-of-conduct/

"Welcome to The High Road, an online discussion board dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership. It is the declared mission of this board to achieve and provide the highest quality of firearms discussion on the Internet ..."​
... So in "High Road" spirit and fashion, we should conduct ourselves and post our comments in inviting manner so as to speak to these new gun owners to not alienate but to welcome. As our war against the antis is not over and we are facing our "D-Day" judicial test as we fight for the continuation of federal court appointments and the Supreme Court justice replacement who will have final say about the future of gun rights/2A.

Keep in mind, the younger generations of gun owners are OUR FUTURE. By welcoming and properly educating them about gun ownership and gun rights/2A, we are better securing the future of our children and grandchildren. We need to speak softly and kindly so as to not turn them away at a time when we need as many allies as we can to fight for and secure the future of everyone's gun rights."​
 
All I know is, I better not hear any moaning from the gun industry about sales being down, for quite a while. :D

Only depressing part is, I look at my decent sized stash, am now wanting "more" (why, I can't say, it's just a nagging want), and praying the finances allow me to capitalize on what I expect to be a yo-yo price drop on ammo in the not too distant future, hopefully.
 
Golfanaticshooter said:
New member here, my first post. I used to think that about half of the country were morons, now I believe it's closer to 80%. The saddest part is that they don't know they are. Hence the label.
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Some of us are optimistic and some are not. Either way if we get the chance to teach or influence a new gun owner, we should do our best. I’m naturally pessimistic and an introvert but I’ll step out of my comfort zone to help a new gun owner, which in turn helps 2A.
 
How can you be so certain?
Keep in mind that many of us gun rights activists and 2A supporters on THR were just like them, young uninformed misinformed first time gun buyers who later became informed and properly educated about gun rights and 2A.
And your comments may not fulfill the mission and goals of THR as you do not know how these new gun owners will change in the future in support of gun rights/2A.
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I'm not certain and neither are you. BUT my observations and opinion is just that and I certainly don't see my comments having anything to do with "And your comments may not fulfill the mission and goals of THR". Discussion group, discussing my observations and opinion..nothing more. I get that saying a lot of these new gun owners only care about the ease at which they were able to acquire a new gun, and not all-in about the 2A, might upset you, but, that's they way it is. IN MY OPINION. I think you over estimate the idea that a 'responsible gun owner' AUTOMATICALLY equals a staunch and educated supporter of the 2A.

RKBA..yup, I do, and I am..I exercise that EVERY DAY.virus or no..

AND you know NOTHING about me, so I'll thank you to not pigeon hole me..
 
Think about this.

During the past 10 years, millions of guns were sold, many to new gun owners.

During the coronavirus panic, millions more will be sold, perhaps in the hundreds of millions, shattering Obama year panic as many indications show and many if not most of these guns will be bought by new gun owners.

This means opportunity exists for millions of new gun owners to become supporters of gun rights, especially when every Democrat candidate vowed to take away AR15s and AK47s as they are buying guns, including ARs and PCCs.

And while we prepare for our biggest showdown in the US Supreme Court for the future of our gun rights and 2A, we continue to wage war against the antis who are introducing and passing hundreds of new anti-gun laws every month. Time is now to join forces with all of our allies, old and new, old and young; to come together to push back and fight against anti-gun law makers.

FFGCOLORADO, there is no time or need for alienating any new gun owner. What you claim may be true but to what purpose?
 
LiveLife said:
Think about this.

During the past 10 years, millions of guns were sold, many to new gun owners.

During the coronavirus panic, millions more will be sold, perhaps in the hundreds of millions, shattering Obama year panic as many indications show and many if not most of these guns will be bought by new gun owners.

This means opportunity exists for millions of new gun owners to become supporters of gun rights, especially when every Democrat candidate vowed to take away AR15s and AK47s as they are buying guns, including ARs and PCCs.
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Sure, never said that opportunity DIDN'T exist. All I'm saying is that you are way more optimistic than I am.

PLUS-since you mentioned a political bend, quite against the THR rules, BTW, and what some obscure political candidate 'said'..

RFL
UBC
21yo minimum age..stated by whom? Who instituted a bump stop ban??
 
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