bassjam
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Right, we are not talking about friendly neighborhoods.
Unfriendly neighborhoods are just neighborhoods full of innocent's that have some unfriendly people hiding in them.
Right, we are not talking about friendly neighborhoods.
So after reading this whole thread, it seems the logical answer is the AK-47
So after reading this whole thread, it seems the logical answer is the AK-47
Seconded. With the caveat that I love ARs.After having run an AK and Vz58 at my local shoot and move rifle match, you’re way better off with an AR.
Silly easy to make accurate, flat shooting, much easier to run optics & lights, faster follow up shots because of low recoil.
I don’t particularly like ARs but I acknowledge that they are hard to beat.
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I didn't love AR-15s in concept...then I enlisted into the infantry, and fired thousands of rounds a month preparing to deploy. Turns out I now have more training on an M4 than all other firearms combined, and I use it well... which is fine, since 5.56 and other cartridges that fit into the platform work great at stopping human threats at reasonable range.Seconded. With the caveat that I love ARs.
So after reading this whole thread, it seems the logical answer is the AK-47
I don't mean to take the thread off track, but this seems to be the raison d'etre for the bullpup design. Handy, without needing a barrel length that significantly diminishes velocity and range when outside the CQB environment. Some of those dissatisfied with 5.56 performance would be less so with heavier bullets operating ar 20" barrle velocities, for example.
. The Marines has swathed to the M27 (H&K) for all infantry. It fires a hotter 5,56 round.
Maybe you are thinking of the M855A1 which is a hotter 5.56 round?I probably should not write while sipping scotch. The M27 does use 5.56 NATO. The Corps is experimenting with a hotter round. It has not adopted it yet. Thanks for waking me up.
It is desired that the M27 have the capacity to be adapted to another round (such as 6.8mm) if desired.Maybe you are thinking of the M855A1 which is a hotter 5.56 round?
Soldiers understandably loved the Garand. When you’ve got 8 rounds as quick as you can pull the trigger, and the guy shooting at you has 5 rounds from a bolt action, it’s a significant advantage. And in a war zone in 1944, overpenetration was not a serious concern. Both armies were Western, in uniform, fighting a declared war, and anxious to protect civilians when they could, meaning they let them run, kicked them out, or told them to get into the cellar, instead of using them as human shields or attempting to hide among them as apparent non-combatants.
But if the Garand was great, an M4 would be dramatically better. Wood and steel and a round capable of stopping a charging horse is nice, but a lightweight rifle equipped with a mag holding dozens of rounds, and optimized for stopping men, is better.
Maybe you are thinking of the M855A1 which is a hotter 5.56 round?
I am going off of what I read in this articleNot really. The 855A1 is a slightly longer lead free version of the SS109 used in M855. Velocity wise I haven't seen any tests where A1 was going over 50FPS faster. It doesn't do as well on hard penetration tests. A1 was just being issued as I was leaving and I didn't shoot it as much as I wanted. POI seemed the same.
Muzzle velocity was boosted to improve lethality, especially at close range when fired from M4 carbines. Thus, at 120 meters the M4’s 14.5-inch barrel still yields 2476 f.p.s. velocity; and even from the SEAL 10-inch barreled M4 it attains 2214 f.p.s. The downside of the new propellant formulation is, unfortunately, a commensurate increase in chamber pressure, which eventually will affect a rifle’s performance.
I am going off of what I read in this article
I agree, and wondered years ago why they didn't adopt a heavier bullet with a higher BC. They have the MK262 but that is for a specific/limited application.Thanks for the link. I'm out but I still like to read about what "my boys" get. Looks like A1 MV is still an apple to apples comparison. Even in 2014-2015 time frame we knew the A1 bullet was to appease environmentalists with a lead free "green bullet." Army and USMC both have bases in California to appease. First time I saw M855A1 I was wiping the rounds with the rag because I thought they were dirty M855. I do give DOD acquisition credit. They wanted a bullet really close to M855 and slightly better but didn't want to affect "Joe's" zero. They did a good job on the research.
I agree, and wondered years ago why they didn't adopt a heavier bullet with a higher BC. They have the MK262 but that is for a specific/limited application.
Not really. The 855A1 is a slightly longer lead free version of the SS109 used in M855. Velocity wise I haven't seen any tests where A1 was going over 50FPS faster. It doesn't do as well on hard penetration tests. A1 was just being issued as I was leaving and I didn't shoot it as much as I wanted. POI seemed the same.