Any Idea? Remington Rolling Block

Ok, with not knowing what smith did the re-barrel or the barrel mfc. And having rather poor fit on the stocks. I say no. Because even though the action looks good. Inside we might have pin / holes with egg to them dimensionally. The extractor looks fit and new. So, there might be more fitted new parts on old receiver. That's a lot of money for a "who did what?" project rifle. BUT super cool. all rollers are super cool.
 
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Ok, with not knowing what smith did the re-barrel or the barrel mfc. And having rather poor fit on the stocks. I say no. Because even though the action looks good. Inside we might have pin / holes with egg to them dimensionally. The extractor looks fit and new. So, there might be more fitted new parts on old receiver. That's a lot of money for a "who did what?" project rifle. BUT super gool. all rollers are super cool.
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I always wanted a Rolling Block, and this was probably someone’s Project Gun. you know alot about these guns?
 
Mark_Mark said:
I always wanted a Rolling Block, and this was probably someone’s Project Gun. you know alot about these guns?
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Just what I've gleaned from selling and the few knowledgeable collectors. I don't know Remington numbers or variants. If you happen to find a correct military trim roller. JUST BUY don't ask - just buy. It's really important to remove the breech bolt and gage the pin and hole for slop / egg. (making sure its round) Check that the breech bolt doesn't wiggle or back-off when closed and hammer is cocked. Fit of the stock and forearm at the receiver mating. If proud it's wrong. Script or Writing script is very important and a dead giveaway someone's messing around trying to fool people. Stuff like that. Also, dead giveaway bluing and front sight configurations. Go to your local library and look through Sears and Roebuck catalogues. and various other time period catalogues from big city Depatments stores of the time. Boston, Philadelphia, New York ... this kind of knowledge where to find information.
 
I once saw a Rolling Block in 8mm Lebel in LGS. It was in an average condition and it went for more than $2,500 in 2005 dollars. So apparently the collectability is everything for the price of Rolling Blocks, because you can buy them new for just shooting. Unless it's a museum grade restoration with the paperwork, any deviation from factory original tanks the price.
 
I briefly owned one in 30-40 Krag. It was a military receiver rebarreled by unknown Smith likely in the 1920s and set up quite nicely with some basic engraving, decent blueing (with a lot of honest wear and patina) and rather plain but well shaped walnut and a Lyman sight. It was a lot of fun to shoot, and I was offered more than I thought it was worth by someone who wanted it more than me. I flipped it within a year for greater than $1000 profit. I took a chance on the original gun for $900 about 10 years ago in a dusty little gunshop.

There is absolutely a strong market for these either in military trim, sported (old) or customized a long time ago. Such guns routinely sell North of $2K at a local auction house. Even the Pedersoli replicas sell for more than retail. In your case, the barrel looks VERY modern. Maybe someone knows if Rem sold or installed new barrels on these in their custom shop back in the day? That Rem Stamping looks legit and modern like 1980's custom shop. That might add value, I'm not sure.
 
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I briefly owned one in 30-40 Krag. It was a military receiver rebarreled by unknown Smith likely in the 1920s and set up quite nicely with some basic engraving, decent blueing (with a lot of honest wear and patina) and rather plain but well shaped walnut and a Lyman sight. It was a lot of fun to shoot, and I was offered more than I thought it was worth by someone who wanted it more than me. I flipped it within a year for greater than $1000 profit. I took a chance on the original gun for $900 about 10 years ago in a dusty little gunshop.

There is absolutely a strong market for these either in military trim, sported (old) or customized a long time ago. Such guns routinely sell North of $2K at a local auction house. Even the Pedersoli replicas sell for more than retail. In your case, the barrel looks VERY modern. Maybe someone knows if Rem sold or installed new barrels on these in their custom shop back in the day? That Rem Stamping looks legit and modern like 1980's custom shop. That might add value, I'm not sure.
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Wish I knew more about the Gun Smith who did the work. It was just handed to me because they knew I like COOL stuff.

If I had $1500 I would buy it. Would be FUN to shoot
 
Mark_Mark said:
Wish I knew more about the Gun Smith who did the work. It was just handed to me because they knew I like COOL stuff.

If I had $1500 I would buy it. Would be FUN to shoot
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I would too as I like them although I have never seen a real one for sale in this area. On the other hand I have spent no time looking for one either. I did buy a Navy Arms Repro in 50-140-550 Sharps a long time ago. It is quite heavy but still gets your attention when firing. Big boom, a huge cloud of smoke, and a very stout push on your shoulder. I have dehorned it into a 50-70 by using cornmeal as a filler but it still makes me take notice when I pull the trigger. It has been years since I bought any brass for it and one round was a buck plus shipping back then.
 
I don't have any input on value of the one you're looking at, but this caught my attention because I inherited one a while back. Mine is in such poor shape that I figure it has little value. I know it's an early model because it's marked "E. Remington & sons" and has a steel cap on the foregrip. Mine is a 22 though. Neat ole guns!
 

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If you're willing to caseform and handload 8x58RD ammo, you can get a Swedish arsenal-reworked for smokeless and later sporterized Rolling Block, Carl Gustav or Remington production, for about $4-600 bucks from Simpson. Delivered to your door too, since they are pre-1899. I bought two, plus another still in military trim, all with excellent bores. One caveat though: those military triggers are heavy!

I think I spent about $1500 total for all three.

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The one drawback to the rollers is the amount of stock drop makes it hard for me to get a good cheek weld . I added a leather pad to my repro to cure this. I find the design to be much more sleek and attractive than the Sharps rifles.
 
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If you're willing to caseform and handload 8x58RD ammo, you can get a Swedish arsenal-reworked for smokeless and later sporterized Rolling Block, Carl Gustav or Remington production, for about $4-600 bucks from Simpson. Delivered to your door too, since they are pre-1899. I bought two, plus another still in military trim, all with excellent bores. One caveat though: those military triggers are heavy!

I think I spent about $1500 total for all three.

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WOW! they are all in the $500 range. what the case your using the fire form 8x58RD? and dies
 
Most Swedish RB shooters manage with fireformed PPU 8x56R Hungarian brass and dies. That case is 2mm shorter at the neck, but you can compensate by using long, heavy bullets.

For the first firing I run new 8x56R cases partway into a 30-06 die to compensate for the greater taper of the 8x58RD below the shoulder-- after the first firing they'll expand back to properly fit the chamber. From then on the 8x56R dies will neck size the fired cases just fine.

So far I've just been using a full case of Trail Boss and cast lead bullets. If you Google the rifle and cartridge you'll find quite a bit of handloading discussion on several forums. Do not use the loan given in Cartridges of the World -- it might work in a Danish Krag but i's too hot for the Rollers!

I had some chamber converters made to shoot .32 H&R in these rifles, which shoot surprisingly well at short range using swaged lead HBWC bullets.

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BTW, there's another, straight-walled 8x58R cartridge out there called the 8x58R Sauer.

If you'd rather go with a more common cartridge like 45-70 and know someone skilled to do the work, these actions are a pretty good choice for rebarreling. The Swedes replaced the hammer and breechblock and reheat-treated the actions when they did the smokeless conversions. Don't hotrod though -- you can blow one up if you try hard enough.
 
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Mine is in such poor shape that I figure it has little value.
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It might be worth more than you think. You have a #2 rifle and the #2 actions are sought after. They were a little gem of an action.

I also have one and mine is also a bit rough around the edges. It is a .32. I have three boxes of ammo which I can't shoot because the gun, for whatever reason, has an oversize chamber. The case splits as often as not, giving me a face full of gas.
 

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