duty size gun carry for ccw

I’ve also discovered, after wearing a gun belt for most of my life, my body doesn’t like the weight anymore. It’s like when I retired, my body said “I thought we were done with this crap?”

If I spend a day carrying a full size gun on my right hip, I get hip and lower back pain.

I don’t know if it’s pressing on a nerve or, if it’s truly muscular/skeletal.

But, carrying appendix, with the weight centered, no issues.
 
Do you belive that a duty size carry gun can make a good ccw if you can conceal well and manage the weight?
Short answer: Yes. I have done it.

Longer answer, as follows:

1984 to 1985: I experimented with carrying my 4” S&W Model 629 during personal time, but mostly carried a 2.5” S&W Model 66.

1985: HK P7, on and off the clock. Is a P7 a “duty size” gun? Yes, of course it is. Very flat, but yes, a duty pistol. A local leather smith made a PD-spec flap holster for me.

1985 to 1990: S&W Model 58, .41 Magnum, on duty, and during much personal time. That is a 4” N-Frame. Big Bore times!

1990 to 1991: Colt Stainless Combat Commander, on and off the clock. (Reliable when new, then became finicky, so, sold off.)

1991 to 1993: SIG P220, on and off the clock. Reliable pistol, but, the heel-clip mag release occasionally snagged patrol car seat back fabric, causing a partial mag drop.

1993 to 1997: Ruger 4” GP100, soon joined by 4” K-Frame Models 19 and 66, on and off the clock. Yes, back to revolvers; tired of problematic 1911 and SIG.

1997 to 2002: Full-sized 1911 Colt Government Model and Kimber, on and off the clock. (Wonderful, until a compatibility problem with the then-mandated duty holster was discovered, at which time I reluctantly transitioned to Glock.)

From 2002 to some time in the 2006 to 2008 time frame, I finally broke my pattern of carrying the same handguns on and off the clock. While I carried full-sized Glocks at work, from 2002 to 2004, and then transitioned to the SIG P229R in 2004, I normally carried 2.25” and 3” SP101 revolvers, during personal time, occasionally up-gunning to my 4” GP100 or 4” Speed Six.

~2006/~2008 to 2012: Non-railed P229 during personal time, while I was carrying a railed P229R while on duty.

2012 to 2015: I phased my favorite 1911, my Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special, back into being my personal-time pistol, while I kept carrying my P229R while on duty.

Why? An all-steel, full-sized 1911, firing the slower-accelerating .45 ACP, vexed my arthritic right hand much less than .40 fired from a high-bore-axis P229.

2015 to 2018: Glock Gen4 G17 while on duty, and during much personal time, starting soon after my then-chief again allowed 9mm to be a duty cartridge.

2015 to 2018: Full-sized 1911. I did not put my Les Baer pistol away, when I started carrying Glocks.

2018 to present: I retired from LEO-ing in 2018. Such physical limitations as aging right wrist and right shoulder joints make it more difficult to draw a full-duty-length handgun from a typical concealment holster. So, while can still conceal a duty handgun, in a typical concealment holster, a shorter-barreled weapon “clears leather” with less wrist and shoulder articulation. My single most-often-toted Handgun, an S&W Model 64, is on a duty-sized frame, but has a 2” barrel. when I go out at night, I may well select my 3” GP100, which has a glowing tritium front sight. I have lefty holsters, so sometimes add a big gun as the second gun.

Edited to add: From 1993, onward, I have never completely stopped carrying my favorite 4” GP100, at least some of the time. There have always been occasions when I just simply felt like carrying it, either as “primary,” or toted in an alternate position, as a second weapon.
 
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I believe everyone would opt for a duty size carry gun if they could conceal it well and manage the weight. The smaller guns are a compromise on performance, for the ease of concealment and comfort. If you don't need that compromise, that's good.
It also is what you're willing to deal with not the size or the weight. I hadba 4'10", 85 lb agent who preffered and carried a Glock 17.
 
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People should carry what they want to carry. None of my business.

I personally don't shoot a full-sized pistol any better at "realistic SD distances" than I shoot my pocket pistols. I noticed that a few months ago and it continues to be the case. If I stand there and carefully aim, yes, but not if I just draw and put a few fast shots into CoM.

I've never carried full-sized pistols and am not used to them. When I try it out, I draw my small handguns faster. That makes sense to me, not only because of familiarity, but also because bigger things are slower to move around and catch on clothing easier.

So yeah, I'm a heretic who doesn't believe that it's better for me to carry a full-sized pistol. YMMV.

For a further inflammatory statement, I live in a rough neighborhood where car theft, burglary, mugging, etc. are fairly common. I can't afford to carry a big pistol with a sight on it in case there is a "terrorist attack" in my small town of 18,000. I need something small that will be in my hand very fast when some addict stands up out of the bushes holding a brick or a rock.

There really isn't a tool that's the best for every job.

If you spent your entire career with a full-sized pistol strapped to your waist, that will be the best tool and carry method for you. That doesn't automatically make it the best way for everyone else.
 
People should carry what they want, no argument there. We should all do whats best for us. I do think you need to be realistic about things too though, both with yourself and your choices. Judging by what you often see and hear, I do have to really wonder if people are.

If you can run an accredited/accepted course of fire with whatever it is you choose to carry, and from how you carry it, and pass its standard, with no handicaps, youre probably as well off as anyone else that does. To a point anyway. At least you're testing your premise and skill level and actually have some idea as to where you really stand.

Not that that really means your set to take on the world, just that you can show that you can cover the basics, and maybe a bit more. Its just a basic test. You still need to continue improving and maintaining your skills, if you're being realistic.

There may not be a gun that covers every job, but there certainly are guns that are much better suited to allowing you to cover a much broader set of circumstances than others. Generally there too, the smaller you go, the smaller your options and abilities become.

If Ive learned anything over the years carrying a gun, its the difference between "cant" and "want". "Cant" is simply just the negative word that it is, and its a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Want" on the other hand, is a positive thing, and usually gets things done. ;)
 
It also is what you're willing to deal with not the size or the weight. I hadba 4'10", 85 lb agent who preffered and carried a Glock 17.
I would be willing to bet they also printed more than an  hp with that thing though. I'm not a Federal Agent, I don't necessarily want everyone to know I'm carrying.
 
Most of the time, if you consider a SIG P-228/229 or even a 227 (.45 ACP) "duty sized." On days with the back not cooperating the SIG P-365 or 365XL get carried.

I'm not a huge guy, but I can conceal any full-sized handgun under the right shirt and don't sweat printing.
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I like the 'all black leather' theme.
Everything matches.
 
I would be willing to bet they also printed more than an  hp with that thing though. I'm not a Federal Agent, I don't necessarily want everyone to know I'm carrying.
If choose the right gear and find the right spot, you can carry full sized handguns very easily and with very little risk of being outed, if someone was actually looking.

I spent a good bit of my life doing it in NPE's carrying full sized guns and never had a problem.

And you don't have to do anything out of the norm as far as what you wear either. These days, a pair of jeans and a tee shirt are my normal summer attire (winter is just a long sleeve tee with a light fleece). I wear the clothes I would be wearing if I wasn't wearing a gun too, I don't "size up".

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I would be willing to bet they also printed more than an  hp with that thing though. I'm not a Federal Agent, I don't necessarily want everyone to know I'm carrying.
To my experience printing is mch a non-issue.

You can hide ant of thse full size guns under a slightly larger tshirt and a iwb holster. Someone noticed my gun once in nearly 50 years of carrying on a daily basis. Having over 30 years as a LEO, most of it with a Federal agency and being able to carry under LEOSA, I've carried all over the US.

Not a magic trick.
 
There's a scene in the John Wayne movie The Green Berets in which he's interviewing people to go to Vietnam.

One of the interviewees was Sergeant Provo (Luke Askew).

Wayne is looking through his (I presume) 201 file and says "It says here that you're a Heavy Weapon Specialist".

Askew replies "Not if I can find a light one Sir".

That's a good philosophy.

Somebody started a discussion on Glocktalk the other day asking "Why you bought your first Glock."

I thought about it and what it really came down to was a Glock 19 was the smallest gun on the city's approved list.

"Not if I can find a light one Sir".
 
Im 6' 2", 200lbs and have carried my BHP, IWB for over a decade. It rides at about 3:30 and pretty much disappears under an XLT henley style shirt. I have a multi tool, extra mag and flashlight on my weak side, so there is some ballast and its not uncomfortable, even in a car with high bolstered buckets. (Every now and then i get a pinch)
The only body movement i have to avoid to keep from printing is bending over at the waist.
I like this gun the best, so i do what i have to, to be able to carry it.
 
Only time it waa brought to my attention. 1 day out of over 18,000 is pretty good odds.
That you know of.

I frequently see people who are by definition concealing poorly.

I don't say anything and I wouldn't say anything unless I truly believed they were unaware and in a place where I was certain they'd suffer legal consequences
 
I’ve also discovered, after wearing a gun belt for most of my life, my body doesn’t like the weight anymore. It’s like when I retired, my body said “I thought we were done with this crap?”

If I spend a day carrying a full size gun on my right hip, I get hip and lower back pain.

I don’t know if it’s pressing on a nerve or, if it’s truly muscular/skeletal.

But, carrying appendix, with the weight centered, no issues.
I can sort of relate because I'm a retired electrician, and I spent nearly 30 years with a tool pouch (that weighed as much as several handguns) hanging on my right hip. However, for some unknown reason, I never had, and still don't have problems with lower back pain (knock on wood). On the other hand, a lot of the guys I worked with (also electricians) did have problems with lower back pain, and they switched to wearing smaller tool pouches - one on each side and their tool belts hanging from suspenders. :thumbup:
 
I can sort of relate because I'm a retired electrician, and I spent nearly 30 years with a tool pouch (that weighed as much as several handguns) hanging on my right hip. However, for some unknown reason, I never had, and still don't have problems with lower back pain (knock on wood). On the other hand, a lot of the guys I worked with (also electricians) did have problems with lower back pain, and they switched to wearing smaller tool pouches - one on each side and their tool belts hanging from suspenders. :thumbup:

I never really had problems with my back after 35 years. Between gun belt, body armor etc, I carried around 32 pounds.

But. It was fairly evenly distributed.

Now, though, one gun of any substantial weight on my right hip, gives me problems.
 
It seems odds are the bad guy will have a full size pistol
 
To my experience printing is mch a non-issue.

You can hide ant of thse full size guns under a slightly larger tshirt and a iwb holster. Someone noticed my gun once in nearly 50 years of carrying on a daily basis. Having over 30 years as a LEO, most of it with a Federal agency and being able to carry under LEOSA, I've carried all over the US.

Not a magic trick.
but active or retired leo credentials are a get out of jail card when it comes to carrying a handgun. the worry and hassle of being confronted, even when carrying lawfully, are difficulties that the rest of us must conscientiously avoid.
 
Do you belive that a duty size carry gun can make a good ccw if you can conceal well and manage the weight?
I sure love my Springfield SA-35 and have carried it a few times with my IWB holster for it. I am 6'4 and 285
It doesn't weigh me down carrying it for a day. My main ccw is my Hellcat Pro but I sure like the feel of that
all steel old school gun.

The Hi-Power is one of the classic, easy to conceal carry guns!!! The short grip is great and you still get 15 rounds with modern mags. Carry it IWB and the long slide no longer matters.
 
I carry both 1911's and N framed S&W's concealed. Mostly it's technique and competency that determines if you can or can't.
 
but active or retired leo credentials are a get out of jail card when it comes to carrying a handgun. the worry and hassle of being confronted, even when carrying lawfully, are difficulties that the rest of us must conscientiously avoid.
Not a get out of jail card. One has worries, hassles, and difficulties.
 
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Well, my last uniform duty weapon was a personal owned Usp40. Great weapon that I still have, but when in plainclothes, I carried my Colt Officers. While I love my Colt, these days I carry my sig290rs most of the time because I am old, I know where I put put my rounds and I am not looking to go into harms way where I might need to engage targets at a greater range than 12 to 15 yards
 
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