hawg
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Uberti isn't +P rated either.
Opinions on a WESTERN style 45 Long Colt Six-Shooter Please
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crstrode
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There us no such thing as a SAAMI +P 45 Colt. "Ruger only" is another non SAAMI rating. The Uberti and Pietta cartridge revolvers in 45 Colt will easily handle any commercial SAAMI rated 45 Colt ammo. Both Pietta and Uberti also offer 45 acp guns, and like their 45 colt guns, are just as strong as Ruger New Vaqueros.
CraigC
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I need to chronograph mine alongside the new Standard 1911. Sounds like a good way to spend this weekend.
hawg
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Who said anything about SAAMI approved?
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So, what is the upper pressure limit for a 45 Colt +P, and what authority establishes and maintains those specifications?
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CraigC
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There are four established tiers of .45 Colt loads.
Tier I - 14,000psi standard pressure
Tier II - 23,000psi (equivalent to .45ACP +P)
Tier III - "Ruger only" loads of 32,000psi (or 30,000CUP)
Tier IV - +50,000psi loads for Redhawks and custom five-shot guns
SAAMI is overrated.
hawg
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How should I know? Buffalo Bore sells a .45 Colt +P that they list with a 225 grain bullet at 1,500 FPS.
UncleEd
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Beyond my ken but I do believe the metallurgy must be weighed
against the pressures of a particular load level.
But I don't think one can assume that the metallurgy of modern
SAAs are all the same for manufacturer to manufacturer.
Anyone here guaranteeing that the metallurgy for Colts, Rugers
and foreign imports such as Uberti are all the same for a given
frame size or frame design.
against the pressures of a particular load level.
But I don't think one can assume that the metallurgy of modern
SAAs are all the same for manufacturer to manufacturer.
Anyone here guaranteeing that the metallurgy for Colts, Rugers
and foreign imports such as Uberti are all the same for a given
frame size or frame design.
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Yessir!! That's what I put in all mine and my customers (unless they send what they already have).
The +p's I shoot for verification are Hornady Critical Duty. They say on the box 990 fps ( that's with a 5" bbl) . . . I'd expect them to be a little quicker out of the 8" bbls.
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Uberti cyls are larger in dia. ( same as Ruger (not saying it's as strong as . .)) than Colt, Pietta and probably others.
Brian Pearce has done extensive testing with these revolvers, constructing ammo for them. According to him, the Colt and Pietta ( and others) shouldn't be used with +p. My own shooting verifies this. Before shooting +p's in my '60 Army I brought my Pietta Mod P copy with its 45 acp cylinder to get an idea of what to expect ( I'd never fired +p's before). So, the first 5 were shot in the Pietta. The rest were easily handled in the '60 ( Walt's cylinders will easily handle them as well . . . my build will keep the cyl in place!!
). Back at home I swapped back to the 45C cyl in the Pietta and that's when my cheesy smile left. The cyl wouldn't rotate with the 45C cartridges in it. Those 5 shots had moved the frame enough to take away the headspace needed for the 45C!! In all honesty, I hadn't necessarily checked it before but the point is that it shot fine before with the same 45C ammo and now it wouldn't cycle. So, even if it was .001", .002", .003" overall movement, that was just with five 45 acp+p's !!
6 months later, Mr Pearce's article came out and it all made since. No +p's in Piettas for me !!!
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Yessir, as long as you take care of the short arbor and reduce endshake to at least. 003". Mine are .002" as I shoot lead some, mostly plated or jacketed. Have not tried a Pietta sourced '60. The 1:18" twist of the Uberti seems more appropriate than Pietta's 1:32". Also, check for loose arbor in a vice. They can have movement right out of the box. On a conversion, I always remove and reinstall the arbor under heavy torque.
I forgot to mention, I did measure the difference in top strap width and thickness between the Pietta Mod P and my Pietta '58 Rem. The '58 is wider/ thicker by a pretty good amount so I may try some +p's ( or close to) in the '58.
Mike
I used your recommendation of grinding down a stainless panhead screw to make an arbor spacer for my Uberti. From memory, the spacer made from the screw head was about 0.072".
I also shoot mostly plated or jacketed, but haven't tried +P yet (can't find any in Memphis).
I also shoot mostly plated or jacketed, but haven't tried +P yet (can't find any in Memphis).
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Definitely makes it easier!! I've never measured the thickness cause I don't think Uberti controls anything in that department to within an 1/8" tolerance
!! Some can use an almost full width spacer and some make you remove some material off the arbor just so you can have a decent spacer ( if a spacer is too thin it won't hold up so once in a blue moon you have to make the short arbor a little shorter!! SEE they can't even quality control a too short arbor!!!!).Mike
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That's what I thought.
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Great choice, that's the exact same one I have as well! I like the extra details of the '7th Calvary' model, like the US stamp on the frame, the OWA military inspection stamp on the grip, and various replica inspection stamps on the parts, also how the barrel doesn't say "45 Colt" on the side (they hide it under the ejector on this model to keep it looking authentic). Mine too has only ever seen black powder rounds through it, which is truly the best way to fully appreciate such a replica.
The first thing you should remember is there is no such cartridge as a 45 Long Colt. There is only 45 Colt.
I have a lot of revolvers in 45 Colt. None of them are single action! I have several single action revolvers, and I have had several that are no longer with me. Ruger single actions are not part of my collection any more. They are sort of crude, the finish is not good.
I have a couple Colt SAA's, some Cimarron / Uberti SAA's, all of which I am happy with. If I were you I would probably buy a Cimarron / Uberti first and plan on saving up to buy a Colt. You won't be unhappy with either.
I have a lot of revolvers in 45 Colt. None of them are single action! I have several single action revolvers, and I have had several that are no longer with me. Ruger single actions are not part of my collection any more. They are sort of crude, the finish is not good.
I have a couple Colt SAA's, some Cimarron / Uberti SAA's, all of which I am happy with. If I were you I would probably buy a Cimarron / Uberti first and plan on saving up to buy a Colt. You won't be unhappy with either.
“The .45 Colt, sometimes called the .45 Long Colt to distinguish it from the short .45 cartridge historically required by the S&W Schofield revolver, as well as the .45 ACP (also sometimes, incorrectly, referred to as the .45 Colt), is the oldest service cartridge still in use today.”
whatever, this naming convention sometimes crops up in ammo discussions. i like to use 45lc as the distinguishing, less confused, name, ymmv. so do most ammo makers, per their box labels. i keep multiple boxes of 45lc, 45schofield and 45acp (automatic colt pistol) commercially-made ammo in my stash. when i wish to buy 45 ammo, saying or searching for “45lc” renders my specific wish crystal clear to all parties, without need of further explanation. there are generally no returns of incorrectly purchased ammo.
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hawg
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.45 Long Colt is just a nickname that caught on. I dunno what ammo you're using but the only boxes I've seen that were marked 45 Long Colt is Armscor and their case heads are marked 45 Colt. There may be others out there but the major manufacturers just say 45 Colt. The only manufacturer I know of that stamps their guns .45 LC is Uberti.
Mike Venturino posted this in one of the discussions.
As for correct nomenclature, how may refer to the 45 Schoffield? The correct name is the 45 Smith & Wesson.
The 38 Special is actually the 38 S&W Special. And the list goes on. But, it is funny how some just can not wrap their heads around the 45 long Colt and almost take offense at the mention of it.
Kevin
As for correct nomenclature, how may refer to the 45 Schoffield? The correct name is the 45 Smith & Wesson.
The 38 Special is actually the 38 S&W Special. And the list goes on. But, it is funny how some just can not wrap their heads around the 45 long Colt and almost take offense at the mention of it.
Kevin
CraigC
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That's not the reason for the "Long". No reason for an extra descriptive to distinguish .45Colt and .45S&W. The Army issued very little of either cartridge and instead devised a hybrid cartridge that was the length of the S&W with the Colt's smaller rim, loaded only by military arsenals and dubbed, ".45 Colt Gov't". The "Long" came about decades later in the 1920's when UMC decided to load the .45Colt Gov't, simply headstamped ".45 Colt" and pictured on the far right in the Strawhat's pic above. Elmer Keith wrote of the, ".45 Colt, long case" in his book "Sixguns" (and possibly prior) and the ".45 Long Colt" was born. It's a nickname that hasn't been relevant or necessary in 100yrs, to the point that most people don't even know why it was used in the first place. Incorrectly assuming it has something to do with the .45ACP.
WestKentucky
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I have a very similarly built gun that was made by EMF. If you look for their stamp online I bet you find it on the gun.
hawg
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EMF was nothing more than an importer until 2014 when they teamed up with Pietta. Your gun was most likely made by Uberti.
