Big deception with S&B lpp
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bigpower491
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I'll throw this into the mix
Yrs ago I was shooting 8x57s out at the gravel pit
I had the 1 and only squib load I've ever had in all the yrs I've been rolling my own(knock on wood). The primer went off and but no bang. Bullet was stuck about 2 inches past the throat in the barrel,and of course, we were done with that rifle for the day. I think I was running around 46gr of IMR4064 in that load, and as soon as I opened the bolt, there most of the powder was. Some of it you could tell tried to light, but it was rather "clumpy". Got her home, drove the bullet out with a piece of 1/4 round aluminum, then proceeded to get the collet puller out and start pulling bullets. In none of my other cases did the powder come out clumpy. Twas all loose like I just poured it from the measure. O boy did I go round and round trying to figure out what happened. O I figured it out, or at least what I think happened. At the old place I had a basement that I loaded in. Was down there doing a session and all of a sudden, a drop of water hit the bench. Looked up, and sure enough, there were water pipes right over top of the bench. Of course, twas a bit warm that day and the cold pipe was sweating a bit. Nearest I can figure is I had a similar situation the day I loaded that ammo and maybe, just maybe, when I had all the charged cases in the loading block, one of the drops went smack into the case. Dunno for sure, but it sure seemed plausible.
So if you case was charged and maybe contaminated, you'd find propellant in the guns action. It obviously didn't burn, so there should have been some in there. If not, you may have double checked but still missed that particular case. Or your measure either threw a very very light charge or no charge at all
Yrs ago I was shooting 8x57s out at the gravel pit
I had the 1 and only squib load I've ever had in all the yrs I've been rolling my own(knock on wood). The primer went off and but no bang. Bullet was stuck about 2 inches past the throat in the barrel,and of course, we were done with that rifle for the day. I think I was running around 46gr of IMR4064 in that load, and as soon as I opened the bolt, there most of the powder was. Some of it you could tell tried to light, but it was rather "clumpy". Got her home, drove the bullet out with a piece of 1/4 round aluminum, then proceeded to get the collet puller out and start pulling bullets. In none of my other cases did the powder come out clumpy. Twas all loose like I just poured it from the measure. O boy did I go round and round trying to figure out what happened. O I figured it out, or at least what I think happened. At the old place I had a basement that I loaded in. Was down there doing a session and all of a sudden, a drop of water hit the bench. Looked up, and sure enough, there were water pipes right over top of the bench. Of course, twas a bit warm that day and the cold pipe was sweating a bit. Nearest I can figure is I had a similar situation the day I loaded that ammo and maybe, just maybe, when I had all the charged cases in the loading block, one of the drops went smack into the case. Dunno for sure, but it sure seemed plausible.
So if you case was charged and maybe contaminated, you'd find propellant in the guns action. It obviously didn't burn, so there should have been some in there. If not, you may have double checked but still missed that particular case. Or your measure either threw a very very light charge or no charge at all
GeoDudeFlorida
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I always get a chuckle at the declarations and protestations about how long people have been reloading. I’m just past 50 years and I still make mistakes. There’s folks on this forum who’ve only been at it for a handful of years but because they are adventurous spirits they’re doing things I never tried.
I suspect a reversal of hubris is in the offing.
shoebox1.1
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I’d like to know.. does the squib go “Pfffffff” instead of POP? Theres no question something went wrong right? The squib is the one fear that kept me from reloading for years now. I look in EVERY case 2-3 times before they get seated. Bright flashlight too!
GeoDudeFlorida
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The bad thing about that habit is your eye gets trained to see things, even when they aren’t there. It takes a little concentration to overcome that. Give it time. You’ll get to the point where you’re looking for something NOT to be there versus looking for something TO be there.
Soonerpesek
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There will definitely be a pop, primers in themselves are loud, but you will know it’s much different than a normal round.
Felt recoil will be drastically different..
It’s still something to be aware of, as fast shooting can be a problem with a squib…
CQB45ACP
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CQB45ACP
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On someone’s advice here I shot some primer only dummies to see what to expect. Very interesting.
Soonerpesek
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Do that with a revolver…….it’ll prolly lock up the cylinder…..
………………you don’t have to ask me how I know………
Pat73
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Sorry, i used the word deception in french instead on disapointment.
Pat73
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Thank you everyone for your comments.
Please forgive me for using the word: deception. I should have use: disapointment.
I forgot to mention that i also hade some loads with unburnent powder of Blue Dot with S&B primers. Not a lot, but some.
That never happened to me with CCI or Winchester.
All case are cleaned with vibratory tumbler, primer pocket cleaned with RCBS large pistol brush.
S&B batch are: 8 16 17, two of them and the other is: 2 8 17
Please forgive me for using the word: deception. I should have use: disapointment.
I forgot to mention that i also hade some loads with unburnent powder of Blue Dot with S&B primers. Not a lot, but some.
That never happened to me with CCI or Winchester.
All case are cleaned with vibratory tumbler, primer pocket cleaned with RCBS large pistol brush.
S&B batch are: 8 16 17, two of them and the other is: 2 8 17
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Pat73
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Me, i am still nervous after 4 years.I always get a chuckle at the declarations and protestations about how long people have been reloading. I’m just past 50 years and I still make mistakes. There’s folks on this forum who’ve only been at it for a handful of years but because they are adventurous spirits they’re doing things I never tried.
I suspect a reversal of hubris is in the offing.
bfalcon00
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I had a similar problem with genex SPP in 10mm auto with AA #9. Had stuck projectiles with a wad of yellowish half burnt powder behind the projectile. Only happens below 50 degrees F as far as I can tell.
I didn't break down all the rounds because I forgot to take pictures last time and I'm gonna get out on a cold day to get some. You know for SCIENCE!!!
Interestingly, CCI SPP seem to have no problems with that load in the cold. I mean to try out a few other primer manufacturers just out of curiosity.
I didn't break down all the rounds because I forgot to take pictures last time and I'm gonna get out on a cold day to get some. You know for SCIENCE!!!
Interestingly, CCI SPP seem to have no problems with that load in the cold. I mean to try out a few other primer manufacturers just out of curiosity.
Pat73
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The exact same thing happened to me. December 28th 2023 temperature was 32F and April 7th 2024 temerature was 37.5 F.
On those two day, i used S&B LPP on my reloaded rounds. Other ammo using the exact same case, powder, projectiles with Winchester LPP fired flawlessly.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I might try to load the exact same load woth CCI, Wlpp, Federal and S&B next winter and see what happen.
bigpower491
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Nothing to be nervous about, it's only rocket science.
Looking over this thread that seemed like a fairly light charge in a 44mag case. I have no experience with 244, so not familiar with any data for that combo. I think all the Winchester powder is spherical, and it may be possible those primers didn't have enough flame to get it going, considering some of the hang fires. If you had muzzles down, all the propellant foward against the bullet. Tis possible. Winchester primers are quite hot, ain't much they're not lighting up.
N555
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Yeah so what. I got a dead brick of cci primers before but I'm not about to never buy cci primers again.
CQB45ACP
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Pictures!
N555
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Pictures of what? Dead rounds that didn't fire? Dead primers I pulled down?
CQB45ACP
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Yeah. An entire brick?
N555
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I tried to fire about 100 from different sleeves and so far 0% have fired.
I'm not going to waste my time loading and breaking down ammo.
CQB45ACP
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I agree. That sucks. I wouldn’t either.
Guess you just kinda chuckle when folks complain about foreign primers being so much worse
N555
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I was surprised to say the least.I agree. That sucks. I wouldn’t either.
Guess you just kinda chuckle when folks complain about foreign primers being so much worse
I popped a few in the altor pistol reciver without the barrel and they just smoke a little.
CQB45ACP
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At least they’re not expensive nor hard to come by.
ballman6711
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Did you contact CCI, and if so, what was the result? They would want to know if they have a bad batch of primers.
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