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troy fairweather
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Made a flip flop recoil pad today for the winchester, I made a thread on doing it so more info there if interested.
What gunsmithing or repairs have you done today
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troy fairweather
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Painted the stock today.
........and Jimmy Buffet is grinning in gunsmith heaven.
entropy
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Got the the bench and there was a Plastic bag holding a LOADED Pietta 1851, the tag said "Does not turn" and that's it. After pulling the cylinder, I noticed the caps were sitting high on the nipples, so I popped them off with my knife blade, and put some #11s on. Turned fine. So I unloaded it (gotta test fire them), cleaned it, and put it back together with a note to the customer to use either #11 caps, or get caps that fit the nipples on the gun.
Not a gunsmith repair but rather a nice inventory upgrade; a small bench top vise for holding small micrometers in particular. I find mic-ing small parts requires a third hand hat trick sometimes. Now, I can just hold the part in one and dial the micrometer with the other....no drama.
Micro-Mark's new offering all steel / anodized aluminum vise with a heavy non-skid base, almost one pound. Has precision fixture-like pin holes to hold round or odd shaped work pieces. $55.
Micro-Mark's new offering all steel / anodized aluminum vise with a heavy non-skid base, almost one pound. Has precision fixture-like pin holes to hold round or odd shaped work pieces. $55.
What a useful tool!
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The way I get around that is to remove the switch/speed control and wire in a Singer Sewing machine control pedal. That gives you a truly full range of speed control. I'm sure you know but my diamond rotary files last a very long time since i can run them extremely slow. I hang the motor up and utilize a flex shaft and of course if I need both hands free, I chuck the handle up in my small vice. I replaced my first Dremel about 6 or so years ago with the then new Model 4000 and it's still "zipping" right along!! It gets used for hours daily as it's my most used tool in the shop (still using the original brushes!!!).
So, just thought I'd share that with you. Enjoyed this thread for a long time! Thanks to Troy for starting it!!
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Hows your locking block holding up? IIRC, that was a particular problem area on the Helwans.On Monday I chipped the extractor shooting my Helwan 9mm (Egyptian-made Beretta 1951). A quick visit to Jack First gun parts to order a $28.00 replacement, it was here by Wednesday.
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It took a bit of filing and finishing with 1000 grit wet-dry to get the new part to fit in the extractor groove in my slide.
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Once fitted, it fed-extracted my dummy rounds just fine. Hopefully I will escape to the range tomorrow to see how it functions with live ammo.
Stay safe.
AzShooter1
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Started out cleaning my 10/22, replaced the battery in my C-More Railway and loaded up 12 magazines so that I'm ready for tomorrow's Steel Challenge Match.
Mounted a new scope on my CZ 457 but I'm replacing it next week when my new scope comes from Natchez's. I've been shooting 6 X 18s but found a 4 X 24 with better turrets and better glass. Never heard of Veridian scopes before but I'm going to give it a try.
Mounted a new scope on my CZ 457 but I'm replacing it next week when my new scope comes from Natchez's. I've been shooting 6 X 18s but found a 4 X 24 with better turrets and better glass. Never heard of Veridian scopes before but I'm going to give it a try.
You set yours up like a Fordham rotary system.
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Did another top coat of matte clear on my camo m70 stock.
Interesting demonstration of the how a small tap wrench is Not a precision instrument. You may want to consider avoid using the T-wrench for small taps to avoid breaking them off in the work.
Joe Pie video is well done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0PBPGjd0Pc
I do use small Starrett tap wrench with a T-bar on the mill after drilling the hole. Perhaps not any more. I also
have fabricated the small cylinder thumb drive for small taps to avoid excessive torque the t-handles can impart on the taps, which then break!
Most spring-loaded tap guides are dual-ended, a radius-ed end and a tapered end to engage tap wrench or directly to the tap. The set screw on the tap guide is removable to switch ends of the guide and one can adjust the spring tension by extent of compressing the internal spring with the set screw.
I think knowledge about small details like this separate the pro's from the public at large.
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Joe Pie video is well done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0PBPGjd0Pc
I do use small Starrett tap wrench with a T-bar on the mill after drilling the hole. Perhaps not any more. I also
have fabricated the small cylinder thumb drive for small taps to avoid excessive torque the t-handles can impart on the taps, which then break!
Most spring-loaded tap guides are dual-ended, a radius-ed end and a tapered end to engage tap wrench or directly to the tap. The set screw on the tap guide is removable to switch ends of the guide and one can adjust the spring tension by extent of compressing the internal spring with the set screw.
I think knowledge about small details like this separate the pro's from the public at large.
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Yesterday, making a lathe center gauge for aligning 60 deg tool bit for single point thread fabrication. I have the Browning & Sharpe
style that holds the gauge with a spring with the gauge slot. I wanted a more secure hold for the gauge so I used 4-40 set screws. Used a softer spring rate in spring-loaded tap guide with the 4-40 tap; don't want to be fighting a stiff axial load and lateral thread force at the same time on the small tap to avoid fracturing it in the hole.
A chance to use some other small gunsmith part fabrication tools as well.
Here's the journey.
style that holds the gauge with a spring with the gauge slot. I wanted a more secure hold for the gauge so I used 4-40 set screws. Used a softer spring rate in spring-loaded tap guide with the 4-40 tap; don't want to be fighting a stiff axial load and lateral thread force at the same time on the small tap to avoid fracturing it in the hole.
A chance to use some other small gunsmith part fabrication tools as well.
Here's the journey.
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Armorer 101
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This is a full-circle Sig P6 story. I acquired both a Sig P225 and its specialty variant the P6 in pristine form many years ago. The P6 was imported by Century Arms International ("C.A.I") in Georgia, Vermont of all places. C.A.I. was a subsidiary of Century International Arms ("C.I.A"), however, importing German arms with a C.I.A. inscription was asking for too much attention, so the company word-smithed the inscription to C.A.I.....that is what mine has emblazoned on the side.
The P6 was a specialty German "Polezei" request for improving and distinguishing the popular single stack P225:
1. Increase the double-action pull weight to 12 lbs, from 10 lbs.
2. Modify the barrel feed ramp to improve hollow-point ammo feeding, as it was becoming popular in early'90's.
3. A unique "notched" hammer profile, i.e. "deformation hammer" that German armorers would inspect to perceive if the pistol had been dropped and landed on its hammer. IF so, the armorer would replace the hammer, hammer strut and firing pin as their integrity could all have been negatively affected by such a direct impact on the hammer.
4. "P6" roll mark on the slide
The period German holsters for the P225 / P6 were common thumb strap affairs which could easily launch their pistol with just the wrong momentum vector. Thus, the tell-tale deformation hammer as described in the P6 Manual.
I just acquired a new-old-stock Sig factory sight pusher specifically for the P225 / P6 which was the impetus for this long-winded account. It seems well made, in particular it has graduations to discern the extent of sight movement.......dah......just what the MGW Pro sight pusher does not have which I fabricated some movement graduations on their sight pusher, with the precision of the mill. The factory sight tool also has two screws to impart tension to the pawl of the slide underside to stabilize it against forces during the process. The MGW pro sight has specific "shoes" that accomplish the same task in a more comprehensive manner.
Finally, legacy forum member RCModel had a thread on improving the P6 with a substitution of a P225 hammer spring, which I did
contemporaneously.
The P6 was a specialty German "Polezei" request for improving and distinguishing the popular single stack P225:
1. Increase the double-action pull weight to 12 lbs, from 10 lbs.
2. Modify the barrel feed ramp to improve hollow-point ammo feeding, as it was becoming popular in early'90's.
3. A unique "notched" hammer profile, i.e. "deformation hammer" that German armorers would inspect to perceive if the pistol had been dropped and landed on its hammer. IF so, the armorer would replace the hammer, hammer strut and firing pin as their integrity could all have been negatively affected by such a direct impact on the hammer.
4. "P6" roll mark on the slide
The period German holsters for the P225 / P6 were common thumb strap affairs which could easily launch their pistol with just the wrong momentum vector. Thus, the tell-tale deformation hammer as described in the P6 Manual.
I just acquired a new-old-stock Sig factory sight pusher specifically for the P225 / P6 which was the impetus for this long-winded account. It seems well made, in particular it has graduations to discern the extent of sight movement.......dah......just what the MGW Pro sight pusher does not have which I fabricated some movement graduations on their sight pusher, with the precision of the mill. The factory sight tool also has two screws to impart tension to the pawl of the slide underside to stabilize it against forces during the process. The MGW pro sight has specific "shoes" that accomplish the same task in a more comprehensive manner.
Finally, legacy forum member RCModel had a thread on improving the P6 with a substitution of a P225 hammer spring, which I did
contemporaneously.
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Jim Watson
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I feel so limited. All I did yesterday was replace squashed magazine springs.
Are you saying that the commercial P225 was already in production? News to me.
That sounds strange. The Walther P5, Sig P6, and HK P7 were brought out in response to a 1976 RFP (I wish I remembered how to spell the German term.) for something more powerful than a PP .32 to combat the Red Army Brigade and the Baader-Meinhof Gang, et al.
Are you saying that the commercial P225 was already in production? News to me.
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Cleaning up the shop so I can finish my Arisaka project without loosing my mind. I absolutely hate a messy work bench. Having a messy work bench or area period drives me up a wall. Its like having 6 tape measures and you can never find one.
For years, the Polizei relied on the
P1 (Walther P38, .32 cal)
P2 (SIG P210, 9 mm)
P3 (Astra 600) service pistols, until the mid-1970s when the West German government adopted a number of new requirements:
1. feature a DA/SA action
2, 9×19 Luger chambering
3. 8 round magazine capacity
4. ability to de-cock the pistol via an external safety or de-cocking lever.
P4 - Walther quickly added the de-cocker to their P38
P5 - Walther later submitted an updated design to meet all the new requirements the Walther P5 was unpopular
P6 SIG Sauer
the SIG Sauer P220 was developed for release in 1975 for the Swiss Army as a replacement for the SIG P210, which had been developed during World War II;
Initially, the P220 was submitted; The original 1975 SIG Sauer P220 had a 'heel-mounted' magazine release located at the rear of the magazine well and a lanyard loop
the older model 220 slides were stamped from heavy gauge steel whereas the current production models are milled on a CNC machine. The slide of stamped models were folded into a "U" and have an end piece at the muzzle end which is welded in place, to complete the slide.
The stamped slides feature a removable breech block. This breech block is pinned to the slide with two concentric hollow roll pins, one pressed inside the other, with their split ends opposed.
Instead of the locking lugs and recesses milled into the barrel and slide of Browning-derived weapons such as the Colt M1911A1, Browning Hi-Power and CZ 75.
The P220 variants (and many other modern pistols) lock the barrel and slide together using an enlarged breech section on the barrel locking into the ejection port, designated the "SigSauer System".
The SIG P225 (introduced in 1978) is a more compact version of the SIG P220.
The P6 (1978 to 2000) was a slightly modified version of the P225 to conform with new requirements.
SIG P6 vs. P225 Differences
Four main differences between SIG’s standard P225 and the Polizei-designated P6:
- mainspring weight (12 lb.) increased, therefore heavier trigger pull
- external markings, P6 roll mark on the slide
- feed ramp geometry, to improve reliable feeding of hollow point ammunition
- notched hammer spur, would deform if pistol dropped on its hammer, alerting armorer inspection; era of poor holster retention designs
P7 Heckler & Koch’s new PSP (Polizei- Selbstlade-Pistole or “police self-loading pistol”)the H&K P7 was; too expensive for most
German agencies to purchase
P8 less-expensive polymer-framed H&K USP
My Sig P series chronology chart as I understand it.
The classic P series mfg. with carbon slides were folded into a "U" profile like a pizza box with the muzzle and rear end subsequently cap welded to complete the slide anatomy.
Jim Watson
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A P38 in .32, do say more.
My Cold War veteran contact said the usual police duty pistol of his day was a PP .32. Perhaps that was confusing.
My understanding is that the commercial P225 followed or at most paralleled the police P6 as scale downs of the P220.
The parent P75/P220 was to replace the P49/p210 in Swiss service.
They made it big enough to handle .38 and .45 mainly for the US market.
I read that the biggest customer for Walther P5 was Dutch police. I don’t know who bought HK P7 besides an antiterrorist agency that was not a real big order.
The P226 was a US Army submission, outbid - twice! - by Beretta. So they came up with the P228 as the US compact service pistol, which Beretta did not contest.
All their other similar guns were mostly commercial products.
My Cold War veteran contact said the usual police duty pistol of his day was a PP .32. Perhaps that was confusing.
My understanding is that the commercial P225 followed or at most paralleled the police P6 as scale downs of the P220.
The parent P75/P220 was to replace the P49/p210 in Swiss service.
They made it big enough to handle .38 and .45 mainly for the US market.
I read that the biggest customer for Walther P5 was Dutch police. I don’t know who bought HK P7 besides an antiterrorist agency that was not a real big order.
The P226 was a US Army submission, outbid - twice! - by Beretta. So they came up with the P228 as the US compact service pistol, which Beretta did not contest.
All their other similar guns were mostly commercial products.
Yes. The P225 was shorter profile single-stack 9mm derivative of the P220 .45. The P6 was a early derivative of the P225 with the
distinguishing changes requested by German agencies to endorse it with their approval "P", Polezei.
The HK's were well-liked by the German agencies, however most their municipalities could not afford it, compared to the Sig unit pricing. The P7M13 was trés avante garde in engineering / ergonomics; perhaps the finest modern pistol ever designed. I authored a comprehensive technical Manual for it.
I have this P220 which was imported to Tyson Corners, VA (no longer exists); SigArms USA first importation site.
The P228 Compact Service Pistol was their Mk 11.
Some P226 specialty variants:
Mk24 NSW (Navy Special Warfare), no Picatinny rail
Mk25 "Navy"
Blackwater, no Picatinny rail
I was Naval Commander in the first Gulf War, attached to NSW. First pistol issued in the sand box was a Remington 911 !, then the P226, then a Beretta M9.
Jim Watson
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The original P75, commercial designation P220 is a 9mm. I don't know who at Sig or Sauer thought of making it a long action for the US market but it worked for them.
Right. It is the M11 because the Beretta won two rounds of trials and is therefore both M9 and M10.