Not Quite a Convert But...

As I age, now 77, I have guns more locked up and WAY less likely to react quickly as I have no one to protect other than my wife, who hides. As for me, I have less fear of death or a bad scene happening. However, I do practice regularly in martial arts, shooting, and various weapon techniques for fun, flexibility, and balance. If the brain police swat teams barge in, so be it. If some deranged troll does, I will make sure first there is no other way to resolve it. Spending one's whole life on such things gives one a different perspective. I sat in Jeff Cooper's leather chair in the basement of the sconce after his last lecture. The problem is cowardice, not reaction times, except in competition, which was my takeaway.
 
Howland937 said:
I'm not sure what the expectation would be. My sister in law is in her mid-40's, A situation occured that scared her badly enough to realize how truly helpless she'd be if a real attack happened.

She's always known there are risks...She works in the ER, so she sees what happens when people are attacked but she's always been ambivalent toward guns. She asked me to help her learn, which is a sight better than just going to the store and buying a pretty gun to throw in her purse.
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shafter said:
One thing to keep in mind with chemical sprays is that it often gets in both people's eyes. That can be a problem if things escalate to deadly force and now you're blind.

Also, some people are completely impervious to pepper spray.
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Ok, have a pair of googles next to the pepper spay then...
jmo,
 
Tilos said:
Ok, have a pair of googles next to the pepper spay then...
jmo,
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You aren't seriously suggesting one uses this inside their home, are you? You risk making the room uninhabitable for a while. I hated transporting a suspect who had been sprayed with OC in my squad. I can only imagine what cleaning it out of a carpet or other porous surfaces would be like.
 
Jeff White said:
I can only imagine what cleaning it out of a carpet or other porous surfaces would be like.
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I used to clean carpets for a living. I've cleaned a couple of crime scenes and one home where the guy's dog ripped out stitches and bled out all over his carpet.

I would much rather deal with the aftermath of OC
 
I carry pepper spray all the time, but I would only consider using it in the out of doors.

Since the encounters that would justify the use of non-deadly force outnumber those in which a gun would be appropriate by roughly 5:1, I like to have options.
 
Jeff White said:
You aren't seriously suggesting one uses this inside their home, are you? You risk making the room uninhabitable for a while. I hated transporting a suspect who had been sprayed with OC in my squad. I can only imagine what cleaning it out of a carpet or other porous surfaces would be like.
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OK, a respirator instead of goggles then :rofl:
Risking a room uninhabitable for a while and having to clean it out of the carpet is better than recovering from an attack, IF you survive it.
Never said inside the house, but that asshat husband deserved a spray or injection of something...inside or out.
The front door could be cracked (safety chain) to spray anyone out there, before they got in.
jmo.
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One would be in a world of hurt if they end up with eyes full of OC and suddenly they need to shoot someone they can't see. I'd be extremely reluctant to use it while carrying a firearm.
 
All of the people in this thread who have had formal training in the use of OC and have used it on the street raise your hand.

There are good reasons why one doesn’t want to use it in their home:

1. It doesn’t work on everyone.

2. Even if you are trained with it there is a good possibility that you can spray yourself if you deploy it while you are engaged hand to hand or get a face full yourself if you are at bad breath distance. When my department fielded OC that very thing happened in the first street deployment to the department’s certified OC trainer.

3. Contamination of your home and furniture is a real concern. Some forms of OC are a micro fine powder in a carrier solution that is flammable and when it evaporates will leave the micro fine particles in carpet, fabric and other porous surfaces.

4. The subject you just sprayed is not going to be incapacitated forever. That means he’s not going to be able to instantly disengage and retreat. Spraying an attacker on the street is going to give you time to escape. Spraying an attacker in your home leaves the attacker inside your home and he’s probably not real happy. This leaves you with the problem of what to do with the guy you just OC’d.

Just some things to think about.
 
Jeff White said:
All of the people in this thread who have had formal training in the use of OC and have used it on the street raise your hand.
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I wouldn't say that using OC spray would be my first choice. But if I'm in a situation where I'm not 100% certain who I am about to shoot, I would prefer the less lethal alternative.

OC spray might make my home uninhabitable for a while. I might have to replace my carpet. I might have to replace my furniture.

I'd rather do either one of those then walk through my living room every day and look at the spot where I killed my spouse or my kid.
 
Jeff White said:
All of the people in this thread who have had formal training in the use of OC and have used it on the street raise your hand.

There are good reasons why one doesn’t want to use it in their home:

1. It doesn’t work on everyone.

2. Even if you are trained with it there is a good possibility that you can spray yourself if you deploy it while you are engaged hand to hand or get a face full yourself if you are at bad breath distance. When my department fielded OC that very thing happened in the first street deployment to the department’s certified OC trainer.

3. Contamination of your home and furniture is a real concern. Some forms of OC are a micro fine powder in a carrier solution that is flammable and when it evaporates will leave the micro fine particles in carpet, fabric and other porous surfaces.

4. The subject you just sprayed is not going to be incapacitated forever. That means he’s not going to be able to instantly disengage and retreat. Spraying an attacker on the street is going to give you time to escape. Spraying an attacker in your home leaves the attacker inside your home and he’s probably not real happy. This leaves you with the problem of what to do with the guy you just OC’d.

Just some things to think about.
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Yes sir, you are correct. It's a great too for some environments like prison for example, not so good in others. And yes some types can be very flammable which is why law enforcement won't taze someone who's been sprayed.
 
Jeff White said:
You aren't seriously suggesting one uses this inside their home, are you? You risk making the room uninhabitable for a while. I hated transporting a suspect who had been sprayed with OC in my squad. I can only imagine what cleaning it out of a carpet or other porous surfaces would be like.
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I emptied an entire can of bear spray in an 8x10 shed one time. It very quickly made the shed uninhabitable.
 
Ignition Override said:
A guy’s daughter came i to town a day early —but at night— and as the daughter quietly crept down the hallway; the father didn’t ask who it was, and with No lights switched on he killed her.

A different guy, much younger had assumed that his fiancée simply Could Not be opening the door from the garage, as this Was Not Standard Procedure late at night, and with no light switched on he killed her.

What causes this mindless paranoia? Has this paranoia developed Separately from our "gun culture", or could Some of this type of hysteria be a self-propagating, direct result of our "gun culture" and its non-stop news ?
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Two rifles and a 12 gauge have flashlights on them. A .22 Mag pistol has a laser but no light. I like to make sure of my target(s).
 
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