A powerful description of a fascist state.

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Yeah, I'll get right on being worried about the U.S. being a fascist state.

Right after I get worried about having to wear my 'gun owner' arm band, then having a member of the cabinet suddenly appoint themself dictator, and begin amassing all governmental powers into his control. I suppose I should move worrying about the sudden nationalization of all industry up on the list too, as well as the sudden calls for 'lebensraum' by our new beloved dictator. Oh yeah, and... you get the idea.
Very cute posting material for a Berkely coffee shop, but it won't stand up to scrutiny by anyone with functional critical thinking skills and access to historical records.
How are those book burnings treating you, by the way?
 
This drivel has been emailed around for a couple of months now. People who are predisposed to find fault with anything the Administration does take it and go running in all directions, acting as though something meaningful has been found.

Sure, examples, here, there and yonder can be found. What can't be found, and what makes this tract of trash come all apart is that the points are not systematized throughout government or throughout society. And it's not all that difficult to take isolated facts and weave them together with one's personal views, playing spider and spinning away happily...

It's the usual nonsense that's equivalent to yowling that since one Bad Cop was found to be on the take, all cops are on the take. Drivel.

However, if you look back at Hitler's Germany. one facet of Fascism is that you own a business, but the government tells you how to run it. In the U.S., a very large body of law in that exact vein has been enacted by the Democratically controlled Congress. OSHA, EPA, USDA. If you own a small business, you can really feel the impact...

Art
 
Hey SpiderJohn

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Saying that Al Gore is from Tennessee is likely to get you into a fist fight faster than grabbin' for the last piece of cornbread at the same time your brother does....
SpiderJohn

Heck AL Gore didn’t win Scott county, his old congressional district in Tennessee.

Al Gore today is not the man he was then, he shed that image for the VP slot.
 
I'm reading Natan Sharansky's 'The Case for Democracy' at the moment. Good read, I recommend it (so far).

He recounts that after 9 years in a Soviet gulag he was released and allowed to emigrate to Israel. Couple of days after that a journalist wrote an article of which the jist was that Sharansky's struggle for freedom was only just beginning.

Sharansky was amazed. He couldn't believe that someone would compare the gulag to the internal political struggles within Israel. His book so far is about having the moral clarity to distinguish between free societies and what he calls 'fear societies'.

Of course we should be watchful, but so far both you and I live in free societies. Let's not over egg the pudding.
 
Art Eatman said:
This drivel has been emailed around for a couple of months now. People who are predisposed to find fault with anything the Administration does take it and go running in all directions, acting as though something meaningful has been found.

Sure, examples, here, there and yonder can be found. What can't be found, and what makes this tract of trash come all apart is that the points are not systematized throughout government or throughout society. And it's not all that difficult to take isolated facts and weave them together with one's personal views, playing spider and spinning away happily...

It's the usual nonsense that's equivalent to yowling that since one Bad Cop was found to be on the take, all cops are on the take. Drivel.

However, if you look back at Hitler's Germany. one facet of Fascism is that you own a business, but the government tells you how to run it. In the U.S., a very large body of law in that exact vein has been enacted by the Democratically controlled Congress. OSHA, EPA, USDA. If you own a small business, you can really feel the impact...

Art

Agreed, but the issue here isn't conscious repression, it's the fact that bureaucracies tend to swell regardless of political system--even free-market corporations get immensely bureaucratic, with no external impetus, if they survive long enough. (And don't get me started on universities...)

Of course, these sclerotic organizations end up suffocating the very populations they were designed to protect, but they don't do it out of malice.
 
"A powerful description of a fascist state?" No.

"A childish left-biased description of a fascist state tailored to dovetail with the Michael Moore vision of the Bush Administration?" Yes.

This isn't "powerful" or "insightful." It's drivel.

I would really like to see some of these whiny leftist "Bush is Hitler" types thrown into a real fascist police state.

Oh, poor Dixie chicks. Their record sales dropped off after making asinine anti-American remarks. Oooohhh, it's just like Nazi Germany. When private individuals freely decide to stop buying your records, that's much the same as getting sent to Auschvitz. Stop everything while we build a National Dixie Chicks Holocaust Memorial.

Oh, poor Linda Ronstadt. She got booed in Vegas after making pro-Michael Moore remarks. Oooohhh, it's just like Stalinist times in the USSR. Getting booed in Vegas is pretty much the same thing as the Gulag, isnt it?
 
This is perfect

http://www.john-ross.net/guest_rant.htm



Oh boy this is great. Brilliant!!


Whatcha Gonna Do?

Okay, is anybody but me sick yet of the Left’s floundering and flailing about, trying to find any way they possibly can to blame somebody else for their failure to espouse a message remotely palatable to the majority of eligible American voters? Is anybody but me wishing right about now that somebody would clong them upside the head with a shovel and say, “Look, morons, here’s the deal….”?

Well, let’s try this, then. Let’s stipulate for the sake of argument that everything the Left claims to fear about the Bush admin and mainstream red-state America is true.

Yep, that’s right, you commie bastiches, we’re coming for you. It’s only a matter of time now until you hear that late-night knock on the door you’ve been dreading all along. Our jack-booted gendarmerie is going to be working overtime rounding up every non-white and non-rich subject of our fascist regime, and we’re going to be baking every last one of you into pies that we’ll then refuse to share with the poor and hungry. We’ll be baking those pies in coal-fired ovens, and those ovens will be devoid of any sort of exhaust-scrubber whatever, because we want to release all the toxic gases and chemicals we can into the atmosphere.

We’ll be spiking the rivers with DDT, alar, thalidomide, and whatever other chemical bugaboos we can think of so as to pollute the drinking water, too. We’ll cram the landfills (which will be more numerous than ever) with deadly silicone breast implants, and we’re going to wipe our asses with copies of the Kyoto Treaty, after which we’ll staple the soiled pages to your foreheads. Halliburton will be sending you the bill for that, too; we’ll call it “cosmetic surgery” and charge a rate tied to the market price for the harvested, tanned, and cured pelts of starving homeless Americans, whose numbers will be rocketing even higher than those for the aforementioned landfills, which is where said homeless will be forced to live while we hunt them down for sport.

We’re going to subjugate the entire world through violence and capitalist exploitation. We’ll be sending our duped, mindless killerbot soldiers to the remotest corners of the Earth to deny freedom to every little brown person currently enjoying an idyllic, bucolic existence in harmony with unspoiled nature, every racial, religious, and cultural minority who has thus far lived relatively free of the sting of our rapacious lash. We’re all going to get rich from it, and we’re going to make the poor noble Bob Cratchets and Tiny Tims of the world pay for our sumptuous lives of piggish, rankly self-indulgent consumerism, and then we’re going to kill them when we’ve bled them completely dry.

Yep, it’s all true, every bit of it; the New Gulags, which we Nazified Tolkien geeks like to refer to as Barad Ashcroft, or just Shrubthanc, have been under construction since early 2001 and are almost ready to open for business. The ultra-right-wing corporate media establishment has known all along, and have been helping us cover it all up, and now it’s too late; there’s nothing you can do to stop us. You all are going to be fed into the ovens by the millions, and we’re going to destroy the environment and nuke the Third World, and it’s all going to be done because Jesus told us to, and that’s the only reason we’re ever going to need. Because hey, we’re stupid.

Michael Moore? Dead soon, at our hands, as punishment for daring to dissent. Karen Finley? Ditto. Hillary Clinton? She’ll be crawling around our (segregated) private club on all fours in a Playboy Bunny costume, forced to beg for the privilege of bringing us drinks, dropping grapes into our mouths, and mopping the floors with her hair—just to remind any of you other strong, uppity women who might get ideas about overturning the established patriarchal order who’s really in charge here. Other younger, more attractive women will be forced into sexual slavery, and abortion will absolutely not be an option for dealing with the inevitable unwanted pregnancies that will result. Rusty coathangers will be available at the door, although using them will be punishable by electrocution—electricity provided by the nuke plants that will be on every corner and completely unregulated and unsafe. But it’s just as well that they are our slaves, because there ain’t gonna be no welfare to help them out, and they’re not going to be allowed to work at anything other than pleasing their oppressors.

We’ll be burning the UN HQ in New York down, of course, and we’ll be locking all the delegates inside the building before we set it alight. Then we’ll be invading France, just to teach ‘em a lesson about how we Texas cowboys do bidness. The world’s oil, of course, is ours, and we’ll be boiling tons of it and pouring it over the heads of those who refuse to acknowledge our Xtian God. There’ll be no stem cell research, there’ll be no health care at all for the poor (whose numbers we will be increasing by every means we can think of), and if you dare to complain about life in the New Conservative Amerikkka, we’re going to kill you for it.

All of that: so stipulated. Now, the question for you moonbat Lefty baglappers: What the hell are you going to do about it?

I mean, seriously; if you truly believe that all this is now in the process of happening right before your very eyes, doesn’t it become incumbent upon you, as the most basic imaginable of moral obligations, to do something to prevent it, or overturn it? I mean, obviously, you tried peaceful means of stopping us, but that didn’t work—because us right-wingnuts rigged the election and disenfranchised everybody. And you can’t go to the courts because they’re in the Bu????ler’s pocket too, all the way up to the Supreme Court, which you’ve been saying for four years now illegally handed him the White House after the tainted 2000 “election.” So your last legal, nonviolent means of resistance has been taken away from you, and you can’t even count on the media to publicize the reality of what’s going on because of their right-wing slant, their fondness for the status quo, and of course the fact that they’re really nothing but money-grubbing corporations themselves whose only concern is the bottom line.

So what’s left, Lefties? Where do you go from here? What are you gonna do about it?

I’ll tell you what you’re going to do about it: you’re not going to do one damned thing but continue with your whining, that’s what, and it’s not because deep down you’re all cowards either. It’s because deep down, you know you’re full of ????. You don’t even believe half the stuff you’re currently crying about yourselves.

Because if you did, you wouldn’t be talking about it. You wouldn’t be writing whiny letters to the editor; you wouldn’t be fearfully mincing down to the Canadian Consulate to half-seriously inquire about moving; you wouldn’t be sitting in coffee houses denouncing the moronic inhabitants of Jesusland with your fellow smug, self-satisfied pseudo-hip doofuses. You’d be gearing up and arming yourselves for the fight of your lives. And much to your surprise, you’d have a lot of us over here on the right offering to help load mags.

And that’s why you’re going to keep right on losing elections. If even one third of what you say was true, you’d have Americans of every political stripe rushing to your side to man the barricades. But it isn’t anything like true, and we all know it, and we’ve all known it ever since you tried to claim that proposed reductions in the annual rate of increase of various federal budget items during the Reagan years were actually heartless “slashing” of the budget by people who wanted poor people to die. We’ve known it ever since you railed during the Clinton years about how the welfare reform forced on him by the evil Gingrich Repubs amounted to cultural and economic genocide, and then watched as hordes of welfare cheats—who you always claimed didn’t exist—were quietly expunged from the rolls and went back to work.

In other words, you’re all hype and no hump. Your party has become the Chicken Little Party, weeping and wailing about disaster, catastrophe, and The End Of The World As We Know It every time a new idea for running the government gets put forth by someone who isn’t a card-carrying liberal.

And the proof is in the pudding. Your delirious ideas don’t even inspire your like-minded cohorts—those who really do believe the sky is falling—to get out and fight to save their very lives; you certainly aren’t going to inspire a majority of Americans to rally to your banner if you can’t even get your own true believers off their asses and into the streets. That’s the problem with what you people used to like to call “false consciousness,” which is exactly what you’re now reduced to peddling. Your hysteria is based on plain and simple untruths, and nobody is willing to go out there and risk injury or death for something they know in their hearts is a lie. There ain’t gonna be any Revolution, televised or otherwise, because too many of us know that none is really called for, and the more you try to promote an addle-pated apocalyptic vision of a theocratic MegaMurrika the more the rest of us just sit back and wonder what the hell you’re talking about, as we watch life gradually improve for more and more of us despite your doomsaying.

Afghanis just voted, in the first real free election they’ve ever had; they didn’t vote in any Lefty flamethrower, and they didn’t vote in any Islamist terrorist either. And this occurred only a couple of years after we all watched you people wax apoplectic about the coming disastrous “quagmire.” Well, if that’s a quagmire, most of us figure the world could do with a few more of ‘em. It didn’t come cheap, and it didn’t come easy, but it came anyway, and no thanks to any of you, either.

And the same thing is going to happen in Iraq soon; the ordinary people you claim to be concerned about will see how their lives have improved since Saddam’s removal, and, despite all your supposed “concern” for their welfare, they’re also going to remember who it was who bitched and whined about the only recent President who was willing to lift a finger and take a political risk to help make it so.

And you smarmily call yourselves the “reality-based community.” What a laugh that is.

And that’s what it all comes down to, really. Those of us who do have some adult grasp of reality are sitting back and laughing at you and your dipsomaniacal ravings. You don’t inspire trust and confidence in your ability to run the world’s only remaining superpower, because you can’t resist the adolescent urge to hyperbolize every last little thing. Just as a small example, look at your pals in the liberal MSM [mainstream media--JR]. There are no mere “problems”; instead, we’re deluged with one “crisis” after another in their newspapers and on TV. You’re like little kids whose experience of the world is so limited as to define the boundaries of your intellect far too narrowly to ever be trusted with the responsibility of governing a nation.

Grow up, Chicken Little. Lead, follow, or get out of the friggin’ way. Or, at the very least, you can stop trying to get the rest of us to guzzle a bunch of Kool-Aid that you can’t even swallow yourselves.

Michael Hendrix 11/12/04
 
A list without much purpose... it reminds me a lot of those vague horoscopes you find in the daily news that can apply to just about anybody.

"Today brings new experiences that may be challenging; but evening brings a respite."

If you want to have fun and see just how much kool-aid you've been drinking lately, apply the same list to FDR's America circa-WWII, Wilson's America circa-WWI, or Lincoln's America circa-Civil War. In many cases you can not only make a stronger case than you could with the current administration; but the actions taken are much more severe as well. See any Muslims in detention camps after having their property seized?

I find it especially ironic that two of the major countries to defeat fascism (the Soviet Union and the United States) basically hit all 14 of the points he listed (at least you could make credible arguments for all 14).
 
Hmmmm.......

Extremist, yes. Possibly even over the top. Mindless drivel, no. Not in my opinion.

You can indeed look at the accomplishments and policies of previous administrations, and make valid comparisons. But that's like saying, "Since all the other guys are looting and setting fires, I can, too." I've said this before, and I'll probably keep on saying it until I've taken my last breath. Wrong is wrong.

I realize that this isn't the first time something like this has been posted here. It just happened to be the first time I've seen that particular article. It reminded me that we are, after all, in a handbasket. And I'm particularly concerned about the direction said handbasket is headed in.

Yes, it is "for the children".

As I type these words, my grandaughter is busily bargaining with our dog. It seems the gist of it is that if he'll give her a quick piggy-back ride (doggy-back?), she'll let him have a bite of cookie. I worry about the world she has to look forward to. Based on the choices we make today, what will her daily life look like? Will she be living in a country where everyone's personal history is available to any governmental flunky on a whim? Will she be living in a socialist "utopia" where every action is controlled by Party politics? Or something in between?

It's my hope that people will soon recognize the simple fact that right is right, and wrong is wrong. That you can have liberty, but if that's what you desire, you have to be prepared to make your own security. That no child should ever go to bed hungry in a country as rich as ours. That the elderly, or weak should not have to fear being preyed upon by the vicious strong.

No, I don't buy into some vast conspiracy that controls the world. I do, however believe that there are some very evil people that have muscled their way into very high positions in our government, and that they're taking my grandchildren's futures (and freedoms) far too lightly. They're suppoosed to be working for us. They're our employees. Any time one of them oversteps his authority, he should be called on the carpet. They should be sworn to always tell the truth, during all governmental procedures, and if one is caught in a lie, he should be prosecuted for perjury. This should apply for every elected office, from President to Dog Catcher.

Every questionable act that goes unremarked-upon broadens the scope of governmental power, and weakens the power of the people. Every time some elected official "bends" a rule, it gives him more strength, and takes away from the people that pay his salary. "Accountability" is a fantastic party platform, but it seems that it's too easy to put away, to be totally disregarded (until the next election).

So somebody please remind me... just exactly when did this "drivel" become so commonplace that it's no longer an issue to be scrutinized by a watchful public eye?
 
apply the same list to FDR's America circa-WWII, Wilson's America circa-WWI, or Lincoln's America circa-Civil War

An excellent idea, actually. Lincoln, Wilson and FDR's visions of governance have far more in common with Benito Mussolini than with Thomas Jefferson.

"Open the door to freedom! Put a strong man at the helm!" was the campaign slogan for the National Socialist German Workers Party candidates in the 1932 Reichstag elections. The fact that Nazi politicians invoked freedom to win votes did nothing to protect people from the subsequent tyranny.

It's not a conspiracy, but rather a bipartisan consensus to impose an ever greater authoritarian government on the American people.

Is the US a fascist country? No. Is it moving that way? I think that it is.
 
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