How many folks have popped themselves in the face after returning from Basic Training

i did it with my 12g, but i was far enough away to avoid blood but not embarassment

Heh. Been there.

You've heard of OMT, right? Well, now you've joined the proud ranks of OME (Order of the Magnum Eyebrow).

Yup, that old "cheek weld" can turn on you sometimes.

ergo "BASIC TRAINING" Army? as a vet I can say from being there basic is just that basic. In basic I never touched a 16 not at all.
Well I did touch real guns as a Cav Tanker M240coax's, M85 50 cal and well the big one. But I did not know crap until master gunner school.
My piont is you never stop learning, be aware of your situtation, be aware of what your shooting
"pay attention to detail" Howmany times did you hear that at 0430 in the morning?

I'm not sure what the army is training people to do these days but it sure isn't shooting. My best pal is over germany now and has been in for just about a year. He tells me he's maybe fired 200 live rounds, maybe. They spend all their time on that idiot sim computer.

Nope! But then again I went to Boot Camp.

Come on, it's a joke!!

Not me but my roomate who is a BIG Marine (6'6" 245#) was at the range and decided to rent the Desert Eagle in .50ae. Well the first thing he does is go into a weaver style stance with the gun about (Edit: more like 12") from his nose. Needless to say we didn't stop laughing at him until the scar in the shape of the DE slide rails had faded from the bridge of his nose.

I knew there was a reason they didn't issue 30-30's with scopes in Basic

Personally I hated getting "scope eye" when it happened to me. I now have a healthy respect for my firearms and get a good stock weld accordingly!

My basic was the same way, BRM (Basic Rifle Marksmanship) phase was 3 weeks or so. Mine was summer of 88.

In South Africa it's called "Winning the Half Moon Badge" due to the shape of the wound

Never been in the Armed Forces, but yeah, I learned that a Mdl 70 Win in .30-06 has a dump truck load more recoil than a Rem Nylon 66.

And that you don't 'creep up' on the scope untill you have tunnel vision...that guarantees you a membership in the "Half-Moon-Eye Society"

That putting your nose thing is something the video game generation came up with. Need to lose it and learn to place your cheek the same every time without "tricks." You can tell where your head is by the distance of your eye from the rear sight, for example. YMMV

The tip of the nose thing is a good idea for a 5.56, really bad idea for most other things though!

I had been shooting since I was a kid so I didn't have to learn that lesson again.

However, all through basic I really thought that the M16 rifle they had given me was just a sub-cal trainer and when I got to my unit I would get a "real" rifle. I had been shooting groundhogs with a .223 and I really didn't think they wanted me to shoot people with it! That, and my father toting his Garand deer hunting made me think they would give me something more like a "real" rifle. Of course, that didn't happen (except for the years I toted a 60around) so I guess the joke is on me.

Good Lord I was afraid you were gonna relay a horror story to us of how you rode the charging handle forward and did not let it fully engage. That can leave a healthy gash and the real possibility of broken bones. Scope bite I can deal with...a crushed eye socket is another story.

"That putting your nose thing is something the video game generation came up with."

If you are referring to obtaining a consistant sight picture by resting your nose on the charging handle of the rifle, I beg to differ.

If you read up, I took basic in 88 @ Ft Jackson, well before the HALO kids came about and we were most certianly trained to touch the charging handle with our nose.

Excerpt from FM 3-22-9:

"The soldier should begin by trying to touch the charging handle with his nose when assuming a firing position."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-9/c04.htm#4_5

I installed a Mesa Tactical collasible stock on my Winchester Defender and set the LOP the same as my rifle. Well, shooting birdshot at steel poppers ain't a problem but when I performed a slug select drill in my last match and mounted the shotgun again, with my nose up to about where the charging handle would be on a rifle, when I pulled the trigger, I got a busted upper lip from the little hump that sticks out that you mount the sling attachment to...blood all over the shotgun, all over me and my shirt, all over the ground...but I still put in 3 head shots at 40 yards...

See that oval spot on the right side in this pic that says Mesa Tactical? Well, there's one of those on the left too and if you get too close to it, you'll get dinged. Genius engineers over there...they also desigend it so you can't take the trigger guard out without taking the stock off.


I ordered a slip-on butt pad to help some with recoil and get the LOP out just a tad (one click on a 4 position was too much--the pad is just about right).

Greg

Well shut my mouth if an Army manual says it, it must be gospel.

"That putting your nose thing is something the video game generation came up with."

If you are referring to obtaining a consistant sight picture by resting your nose on the charging handle of the rifle, I beg to differ.

If you read up, I took basic in 88 @ Ft Jackson, well before the HALO kids came about and we were most certianly trained to touch the charging handle with our nose.

Excerpt from FM 3-22-9:

"The soldier should begin by trying to touch the charging handle with his nose when assuming a firing position."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-9/c04.htm#4_5

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I believe he is referring to the "eye right up on the scope" method as being brought by the video game generation. That and some of hollywood too

not yet....

I have a 30/30 I want to put a scope on......now I'll be careful to NOT give myself a black eye.

I have a small scar on the bridge of my nose. It's a souvenir from 26 years ago when I first fired a .300 Magnum. It kicked a little more than the unscoped 30-30 that I was accustomed to.

I think another problem is people wanting to put tacti-cool military style scopes on their hunting rifles. I have an old redfield scope on my 1917 Enfield and I run out of eye relief if I get my face too close. On the other hand, the scope I just bought for my AR needs me to stay close and I could wear the thing like goggles and not loose eye relief. If I put that scope on my .30-06, well lets just say I would be dressed up as a pirate for halloween