.38 Super Cool

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wbond

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Taurus makes a really nice .38 Super

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It is actually small enough and very thin to conceal and carry.

Beautiful gun. Its narrow width is the same as my Firestorm .32 ACP. Wow.

My local gun store says $450 for a new stainless steel version.

I doubt my arthritic hands could handle the recoil, but this gun is way cool.

My experience with Taurus is that they are excellent in every way.

11 rounds, 30 oz, 1.4" wide. Barrel is 4.25" long. This is a .38 Super you could actually conceal and carry. The beauty of this gun has to be seen.

Stainless http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=38SSS&category=Pistol

Pimped Out http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=38SSSPRL&category=Pistol

Blue http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=38SB&category=Pistol
 
The .38 Super is awesome IMO.

Why no replies? Has the .357 Sig killed off the .38 Super?

The .357 Sig is also awesome, but lacks the rich history of the .38 Super, if that matters.
 
Yes, the .38 super is a nice round. My son has been looking at the Taurus in this caliber. They appear to be nice pistols.

I have two guns in this caliber, a Firestorm, which actually works quite well and a Kimber Pro Carry HD II, which is a really sweet pistol. I will probably end up with a Colt at some point, and Para Ordnance is showing one on their website these days. Most likely will end up with a 5" Kimber too.
 
To Darell:

Firestorm made a .38 Super? Really? That sounds so cool.

I know Bersa made a .380 Super, but the Super just refers to the super ammo capacity of the 15+1 double stack gun. This is just a .380 ACP.

Do you mean an actual .38 Super cartridge gun made by Firestorm?

If so, where can I learn more about it?

I already have a Firestorm .32 and a .380 and love them. Works quite well? They work perfectly. Never be embarrassed about owning a Firestorm. They are awesome.

My favorite brands are Firestorm, Taurus, Ruger, and CZ.

I'm pretty fond of Beretta, FN, Browning, Kahr, and Glock too, though I don't own any of those.
 
Firestorm .38 Super

If memory serves(uh oh!), the Firestorm that was a .38 Super was actually a Llama remarked as a Firestorm. Typically, a 1911 type clone platform.

Ah yes, the Bersa .380 Super, which is unfortunately not imported into the USA. I believe the Thunder380 Plus may have been intended to be imported, but the '94 Clinton-era 10 round limit killed that plan. Considering the Bersa Thunder 9 UltraCompact isn't that much larger in size, many wouldn't bother with the .380 Super.


wbond,
I like the PT945 platform in .45 ACP and think the .38 Super on same is a good idea. Unfortunately, while I would most likely buy one, I've yet to see one in any shop or at shows in my general area(SE PA). Maybe some day......
 
To NrvQuit:

http://www.ImpactGuns.com just sold me a new Bersa Thunder .380 Plus 15+1 round gun. Clinton didn't stop them all.

Also, http://www.ImpactGuns.com sells the Taurus .38 Super Cool. The only non 1911 .38 Super I've ever seen. Also it's the smallest, lightest, and thinnest .38 Super I've ever seen. It looks enough like a 1911 to have a classic look, but the back strap is curved enough to also be comfortable. Just wonerful, as Lawrence Welk used to say.

I'm sure I can find other online places that sell the Taurus .38 Super.

Woops. Found one right here. http://www.galleryofguns.com/gunLocator/locatorstart.asp will tell you which local stores in your area have them. Their definition of local is all gun stores within 100 miles of you.

There are 18 of the Taurus .38 Supers in stock in gun stores within 100 miles of me and I'm in the boony-toolies of SW Washington State. Surely the same is true for your location.

Also, my local gun store said they could order one for me for a mere $450. Not bad.

I think that anyone who wants one can easily get one at a good price.
 
Nvrquit is correct, my Firestorm .38 super was produced by Llama and looks identical to their 1911 style pistols. The .38's were made for Davidson's. It seems to be decently made though the fit and finish are about what you would expect in the sub $300 price range.

It is a little finicky about magazines. With those it likes, it works functions fine. The trigger is pretty heavy but has smoothed out some over a few hundred rounds. I have never shot this one at paper, but have mangled many tin cans with it. It was purchased as a plinker, not a target or defensive piece.

I'm not really one of those pistol snobs. I can appreciate a $250 Llama that functions and shoots well the same as I would appreciate a $1000 Colt. Sometimes you get what you pay for. Occasionally the value exceeds the price, and once in a while, you get $200 worth of gun for $800. JMHO.
 
Sometimes value exceeds price:

Yes. Sometimes it does.

With all my Firestorms made by Bersa, I think the value far exceeds the price. I'm 99% pleased with them. The finish is thin, but otherwise they are perfect.

With any Taurus I've ever had experience with, the value exceeded the price so much that it was amazing.

I truly believe that $450 Taurus .38 Super can compete with other brands of .38 Super that are over $1000. I don't know if the Taurus could win a pro target shooting contest, but I think it could make a decent showing.

For concealed carry of a .38 Super, the Taurus is the ONLY choice (that I know of).

With my prior Taurus experiences, not only do you get a great value for the money, but you also get a great gun that can compete with any gun of any price for SD carry.
 
Perhaps More....

.... enlightened in your area, Bond. The shops in my general locale do not tend to carry much in the way of the Taurus line. And BTW, I make the rounds often enough to know when the changes in such happen. I may want one at some time, but it isn't at the top of the list(an it is a long list).

And yes, I well know about the web as a source, as that's how I picked up on three of my Beretta's(all Inox versions BTW; 92 Type M, 96 Compact L & 96 Brigadier:D :D :D ). I just prefer to handle some types before actually pursuing a purchase of same. Personal choice, no flame intended.

As to the Taurus line, I've owned four Taurus handguns; three semi's and one wheelie. These were: PT58(blued, late model w/3 position safety), PT940(stainless) and model 94 .22 RF(9-shot stainless). Yes, that's only three actual models, but the original PT940 cracked it's frame(at the 2001 IDPA PA State match no less). Taurus replaced it, but only after a nice letter to the pres of Taurus USA. It seems that even with me outlining the fractured areas with red indelible marker, along with a letter of explanation detailing where the fractures were, Taurus service reps still couldn't seem to find them(at least on first trip to them, which I paid the shipping on). Pictures and description in the letter to the Taurus USA pres got an immediate response. An overnight FedEx p/u at my house and a replacement within the week. Shouldn't have had to go to that length, but at least it was replaced, honoring their stated warranty. As an aside, the replacement PT940 was used as trade material for my Glock G20. Once bitten, twice shy. Oh yeah, while some reading this may think that Taurus choked on the CS(customer service) on this one, they can't even hold a candle to how I was handled by EAA(and that one really SU#K*D).

As a comparison, the PT58 was traded for and was a "previously owned" piece. Seems that one previous owner had throated the chamber a bit too aggressively. Taurus replaced the barrel, no charge.

Would I buy a PT38SS(Taurus .38 Super, stainless) should I handle one and find that I like it: Yes. A friend's PT945 has held up for multiple seasons of IDPA matches and another friend has one that is easily as old. Neither has had any problems. As I saw it, the PT940 was built upon the frame of the PT911 that was an out-growth of the older PT908. Perhaps the frame was a little overmatched with .40 S&W round. My original PT940 was a first run example and therefore, perhaps fell to the "first model year" bug. No real way to know, but on personal suspicion, I decided to use the new replacement as trade bait. C'est la vive......

On the Bersa front, I once owned a model 85 13-shot wide body .380 ACP. I really liked it and it would digest every type of ammo feed it, save Winchester 85gr Silvertips. I found that curious, but then again, with Hydra-shoks and CorBon around, I considered it no real loss. Unfortunately with between 2000 to 2500 rounds of all factory ammo through it, the frame suffered multiple fractures(three in total). Eagle Imports(Bersa USA importer and servicing agent) replaced that with a Thunder380 Deluxe(two-tone) and threw in a spare mag(7 rounder unfortunately, not the extended base 9 round mag that comes with a T380 Deluxe). BTW, I still have the T380 Deluxe, along with a Thunder22 and a Thunder 9 full size(satin nickel). I've found the T9FS to be a very pleasant surprise. Almost as accurate as my Beretta 92's and it has full ambi controls(except for the mag release, which can be switched if need be). The T9 feels like a cross between a Browning HP and a Walther 88. I like it!

As to the .38 Super isn't(for the most part) loaded to it's true potential. To be sure, there are some exceptions to this rule and those that like this round know who those manufacturers are. For me, the round I have a passion for is the 10mm Auto. The .38 Super is nice but is not in the same park for energy delivered. One thing on the .38 Super though, that being a Sig P220. I would really like to see a Sig P220ST in both the .38 Super and 10mm Auto.
 
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I would like to read a quality review of one of the Taurus Supers. I have been eyeing them since announced, but have yet to actually hear from anyone that had one. Seems like a nice inexpensive CCW pistol. I too have heard that the 945 series is quite reliable.

GR
 
I had a PT-945 in .45ACP.
It was totally reliable.
1000 rounds and not a singel FTF, FTE. or anything.
I just hated the trigger.
I couldn't hit a barn with it from inside the barn.
But that's just me.
Mechanically it was flawless.

AFS
 
I like the Super but in recent years the ammo companies have reduced the loadings to where it hardly beats the 9mm Parabellum. Original load was a 130 at 1300 FPS and the last batch of Winchester ammo I clocked ran about 1080. I load 115 JHPs to 1425 with good results.

Several DA autos have been made over the years in .38 Super but most platforms for this round are 1911 pattern pistols. I currently have a Colt Series '70 and a Rock Island Arsenal 1911 in this caliber. At $325 or so the RIA is a real sleeper. I like mine.

My Supers
 
I've had a Springfield Armory 1911A1 MIL-SPEC in .38 Super. My wife liked it so much she took away from me!:mad: But it's okay because she then went out and bought me a PARA SSP PX938S in .38 Super.:D
The SA MIL-SPEC shoots really well. Accurate. No failures yet, and that includes me working up loads for it. Never had a factory round put through it yet. We're both very happy with it.

Spencer
 
The cool thing would be if the design could handle the WIN9x23..

nice to see manufacturers coming out with guns in the this caliber.
 
yeah..

EAA imports the Tanfoglio Witness in a variety of 38 supers..
Witness steel fullsize, Witness Gold, Witness Limited and the Witness Match.

I think Springfield still makes one and Colt still does too..
Smith makes a 1911DK PC in one and used to chamber it in a 686 PC
 
It's good that another company is releasing a .38 Super pistol, but at 1.4" wide I wouldn't call it thin by any means. That's wider than the ape-sized .45 Glock 21 (1.27").
 
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