Fox News reports missing soldiers dead

The main problem here is that the powers that be are thinking that we are fighting a civilize enemy, they're not, these are still barbarians who've failed to evolve over thousands of years of evolution.

There never was, is or will ever be a way to ever tame a dog with loose bolts. You either put it down to stop it from contaminating the gene pool or let it go berserk and cause damage to civilization.

"We are at war, Anakin"

This is a war between the human race and the primitive race. Politicos seem to be playing both sides to advance their greedy and selfish agendas.

One thing Bush is doing is he's looking for a replacement for Iranian oil. This is exactly what we need...to get off of Middle Eastern oil. As soon as we do that, we need to contain&control the Middle East. Cut them off from the West completely. No M.E. Nationals out...and cut off immigration from there to the West, period.

We need to get control of our own borders...the immediate concern is National security. Secondary is illegal colonization from the third world south of the 33rd parallel.

The solutions are clear...the question is does the American public have enough intelligence and fortitude to acomplish it. We all know the answer dont we?

To comment on a couple things said on this thread...

1. Less than one in ten of the insurgents is a foreign fighter. It is an Iraqi insurgency.

and

2. 80 percent of the Iraqis want us gone.

In the meantime, perhaps a military commander such as
this person who understood what a match was really made
for would have an answer for this "triangle". That and and
an updated version of the M9A1-7. Not to say our military
on the ground leaders are not sound, but one has to admit
when they heard this fellow and his group were coming
their way, knees started knocking. Enough with today's
mister nice guy tactic..




Those who help us help them get their Nation going, get treated well and with respect. For those who oppose the change that needs to come in Iraq and try and kill our coaltion troops as well as the Iraqi general population who want things settled down and us to leave, lets bring out the BIG hammer

As far as our troops both here and lost, Lord bless each and every single one of them.

Hayward: Your initial comment was inaccurate so I decided to respond...

Hayward Juhbuzzoff said:

To comment on a couple things said on this thread... 1. Less than one in ten of the insurgents is a foreign fighter. It is an Iraqi insurgency.

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See Newsweek, "Unmasking the Insurgents" Here:
Most are foreign fighters from Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.

See MSNBC, "Who are the foreign fighters in Iraq?" Here:
An NBC News analysis finds 55 percent hail from Saudi Arabia

I could post several more. Indeed, most checks of insurgents reveal foreign national identities in Iraq show that these terrorists are not Iraqis.

a few more thoughts....

wrt. sending in Sherman or Grant......those guys would be pulled from the field and sent to a courts martial in todays military. We're obviously more interested in avoiding bad P.R. than winning the war.

OBTW, they'd do the same to Patton, as there were two proven cases of GI's killing German soldiers after they surrendered during the invasion of Sicily. Before the invasion Patton gave several speaches to the troops and said he was interested in killing German soldiers and that taking them prisoner was a waste of resources. He managed to personally get the whole invading army wound up and fightin' mad. Heaven forbid we actually tell our soldiers to "kill the enemy".

Shooter: Why would Bush be looking to replace Iranian oil? The U.S. hasn't bought a drop of oil from Iran in years (40 yrs?), And OBTW, I think you've been watching to much t.v. news. I'd say 95% of the people I hang with would gladly put Bush back in office for a 3rd term, if that were possible. Can you name one other political leader who has the sack to do what he is convinced is the right thing to do, regardless what the H@%% the Europeans think. T.V. news went on and on about how the Brits were going to toss Tony Blair because of the Iraq war. He was handilly re-elected.

Re. the quote from Iraqi farmer Ahmed Khalaf Falah....obviously he represents a portion of the Iraqi people who do not value freedom, nor are willing to sacrifice all to obtain it.

Kim said "If I lived in a country under a dictator or totalitarian government if I had any sense I would welcome an invading force that came with guns to take out the government."

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You're missing the whole "infidel" thing Kim.....many muslims would rather live as a slave to another muslim, than to live free with any kind of association with infidels.

See Newsweek, "Unmasking the Insurgents" Here:
Most are foreign fighters from Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.

See MSNBC, "Who are the foreign fighters in Iraq?" Here:
An NBC News analysis finds 55 percent hail from Saudi Arabia

I could post several more. Indeed, most checks of insurgents reveal foreign national identities in Iraq show that these terrorists are not Iraqis

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Camp David, your first link talks about the percentage of "suicide bombers" that are foreign, not the insurgents as a whole. The second link breaks down the nationalities of foreign fighters, but again does not put the number of foreign fighters in the context of the whole insurgency.

Here is a link - http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

The people who run the U.S. military today are more concerned with eating their own than annihilating the enemy. Indicting our own for murder matters more than the atrocities of the other side. It's excellent political theater, USSR-style.

Hayward Juhbuzzoff said:

Here is a link - http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

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While the article you cite, from The Center for Strategic & International Studies, and reported in the CSM begs for validity, I will stand with CENTCOM's determination of foreign terrorists as insurgents in Iraq, which has been widely reported by soldiers themselves. CSIS has a perceived bias against the war.

SSN Vet said:

wrt. sending in Sherman or Grant......those guys would be pulled from the field and sent to a courts martial in todays military. We're obviously more interested in avoiding bad P.R. than winning the war.

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+1 . . . it's bad enough facing a foreign enemy, but after a firefight there are US JAG lawyers after you too . . . and those you're not allowed to shoot.

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I'd say 95% of the people I hang with would gladly put Bush back in office for a 3rd term, if that were possible.

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-1 . . . Bush's popularity with people I hang with is 'way down, thanks to immigration, spending, increased bureaucracy, and, yes, the PC crapola going on in Iraq.

It is hard to think how an anachronism like Sherman would be perceived today.
Even McClellan commented that Sherman was "gone in the head".
Let's see, General McClellan gets fired by Lincoln, then joins the Democratic Party and runs against him on a platform of letting the South secede.
Imagine what kind of world we'd live in if that happened.
Sherman famously butted heads with fellow officers, politicians, and the press.
Even after all that he still did his duty to the Republic. After the war people wanted to make him President, but he flat out refused commenting that he'd rather do time at Sing Sing penitentiary and come out a better man than go to Washington. He blamed the war a great deal on the politicians anyway. Also to an unbridled press.
One can learn a tremendous amount from this man, and I am ashamed of my public education for not introducing me to him earlier on.

Well as least they got it right when it came to naming
a certain U.S. WWII tank ! Sorry to get off topic, this is
about the murders in Iraq.

For the Left everything about America is anachronistic.

While the article you cite, from The Center for Strategic & International Studies, and reported in the CSM begs for validity, I will stand with CENTCOM's determination of foreign terrorists as insurgents in Iraq, which has been widely reported by soldiers themselves. CSIS has a perceived bias against the war.

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Abizaid has said that the foreign fighters are a small fraction of the insurgency. The above listed organization has member names like Nunn, Scowcroft, Kissinger, Bryzinski (sp?), so while skepticism is always appropriate, I wouldn't say that the article "begs for validity."

The enemy already has. Time to make a parking lot.

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Kill. Them. All.

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...His family should just start disappearing,...

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I had written a long text, but "think twice, post once" stopped me.
But it had to do with the words "final solution", "lebensraum", and what my grandfather told me about why he hated the german occupants.

Remember:

When we talk about taking back our nation from an invading army its Good but when other people do it - EVIL.

No one likes an invading army on their land - these Iraqi fighters have more guts then most Americans would in a similar situation I think - they are willing to do what it takes to take back their land and culture and are not scared to die for their cause.

Remember what that Japanese guy said about "a rifle behind every blade of grass" making America impossible to take? Well they have rifles AND explosives.

GEOMETIKA-

I would like to respectfully disagree with your totaly bigoted and racist position.

I am sure my fiance Jenn would take issue with your words. She is racialy arab and pseudo-muslim by tradition.

I am sure my best friend Sara would take issue with you too. She is a naturalized US citizen Iranian by birth, racialy Persian and a practicing Muslim.

In fact...

I take issue with your words. You are the closed-minded barbarian, and I am ashamed to share this forum with you.

"Shooter: Why would Bush be looking to replace Iranian oil? The U.S. hasn't bought a drop of oil from Iran in years (40 yrs?), And OBTW, I think you've been watching to much t.v. news. I'd say 95% of the people I hang with would gladly put Bush back in office for a 3rd term, if that were possible. Can you name one other political leader who has the sack to do what he is convinced is the right thing to do, regardless what the H@%% the Europeans think. T.V. news went on and on about how the Brits were going to toss Tony Blair because of the Iraq war. He was handilly re-elected."
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I wont despute you on domestic use of Iranian oil...because I dont have the facts. I hardly watch TV news, dont have the time.

I wont despute you or the people you hang with on Bush and why you support him. I'm not a "Moderate," I'm farthest to to right as one can possibly get. I support Bush to a lesser degree than you do...meaning that there was nobody else remotely qualified to take on the job as President. Kerry was not an option so who else was left? I voted for Bush out of default.

The only question I have about Iraq is why haven't we won yet?

We can either leave now or we can go in and destroy the hotbeds. GW is right about one thing. If we pull out and the fundis take over, we will be their target and the next explosions will be right here in the USA. For better or worse Iraq has become the main battleground and test of wills between radical Islam and the US.

"We can either leave now or we can go in and destroy the hotbeds. GW is right about one thing. If we pull out and the fundis take over, we will be their target and the next explosions will be right here in the USA. For better or worse Iraq has become the main battleground and test of wills between radical Islam and the US."

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Agreed...it's time to beef up the numbers and take care of it once and for all.

Any more racism and this thread goes bye-bye.

Some of the replies in this thread are ridiculous.

Yea.. that's Nuke Iraq.. great idea.

The thing about this "war" is we're not fighting a conventional army. I'm sure the Army and Marines are all for taking the gloves off and dealing death blows to the enemy. Unfortunately, there's no "front line".. It's hard to even know who the enemy is until they start shooting.

Sure we could lock the place down and start getting tough with everyone, including the civilians, but that will only make things worse. Any civilians who were on our side might jump ship once troops that kicking in their doors and interrogating their families.

To anyone who took offense to my last post, I apologize sincerely, that wasn't my intention. I was referring to the enemy/insurgents. The enemy's barbaric and primitive manner of conducting a war is unacceptable and unforgiveable in this day and age.

We do need to stop talking about the "war on terror." There is no such thing, and in fact it's an impossibility. The war is between us and radical Islam. We must destroy it or it will surely destroy us. That will entail killing a lot of people, including a lot of women and children. But trust me when the time comes they won't hesitate to slaughter each and every one of your grandchildren. To call them animals is an insult to animals. Radical Islam is not a religion of peace--it is a terminal mental illness.