Mexico gets new infantry rifle

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From http://www.mexidata.info/id1289.html

I initially read this in the English-language newspaper in Puerto Vallarta. What a delight it was to find a gun article while on Spring Break! It'll be interesting to see if this goes through, and they replace the well-worn G-3s that you see in the hands of troops all over Mexico.

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Monday, March 12, 2007

The Mexican Army and its Controversial New Rifle
By Allan Wall

The massive military parade held on Mexican Independence Day (September 16) is an annual tradition. In September of 2006, it provided the opportunity to showcase Mexico’s new FX-05 “Xiuhcoatl” assault rifle. At the parade, soldiers of the Special Forces Airmobile Group, or GAFE (the acronym for Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales), carried the FX-05. (See Wikipedia photo.)

The new rifle’s name “Xiuhcoatl” means “Fire Serpent,” coming from Nahuatl, the language spoken by the Aztecs and other related groups. The “fire serpent” was a ferocious Aztec mythological creature, and on the famous Aztec disc monolith called the “Sun Stone” the entire circular design is enclosed by two flaming “fire serpents.”

The FX-05 Xiuhcoatl was designed and manufactured in Mexico, by the Dirección General de Industria Militar del Ejército (the Mexican military’s industrial arm). The weapon is to be gradually phased into Army units, replacing the currently employed G-3 (manufactured in Mexico under license from the German arms company Hechler and Koch).

The FX-05 utilizes a 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round, and is gas operated with a rotating bolt. Its rate of fire is 750 rounds per minute. Effective range is 200 to 800 meters (using the sight marks), and it’s fed with a 30-round detachable box magazine or a 100-round drum magazine. The rifle has mechanical, telescopic and red-dot sights.

The FX-05 receiver is made of carbon fiber reinforced polymer, and the barrel of advanced resistant stainless steel.

The new weapon has been fraught with controversy. There is no doubt that the FX-05 is based on Hechler and Koch’s G-36V, which is not surprising. Since ancient times military technology has been based on the adaptation and modification of earlier-existing military technology. But there are adaptations and then there are unauthorized copies, a form of industrial piracy.

The German government and Heckler and Koch, HK, have accused Mexico of copying the G36V design for the FX-05. In fact, they threatened to take the case to international tribunals, and demanded that Mexico destroy the FX-05 and pay damages to HK.

(This sort of thing happens from time to time in the arms industry. For example, Colt, the U.S. arms manufacturer that makes the M-4 — the rifle my unit used when we were in Iraq, threatened to sue HK, claiming that the HK M4 rifle was a copy of the Colt M-4. Eventually the charge was dropped, on the grounds that they look similar but are different on the inside, and on condition that HK would change the name from HK-4 to HK 416.)

As a result of the German threat, in November of 2006 Mexico stopped manufacturing the new rifles.

There was also political fallout. General Alfredo Oropeza, who ran the Dirección General de Industria Militar del Ejército was considered the frontrunner to be President Felipe Calderon’s Secretary of National Defense. But because of the FX-05 controversy, Oropeza was passed over in favor of General Guillermo Galvan.

On February 1, 2007 a meeting was held in Mexico City, attended by representatives of the Mexican Defense Ministry and Heckler and Koch. After an inspection and exhibition of the weaponry involved, the HK representatives decided that the FX-05 wasn’t a copy of the G36V and dropped the dispute.

So why did HK give in so easily?

It wouldn’t be Mexico without a conspiracy theory. One I ran across was that Heckler and Koch withdrew its threat in exchange for the chance to sell the G36V to Mexican police departments.

Anyway, since the FX-05 is no longer disputed by HK, the Mexican military-industrial complex was allowed to start cranking out FX-05 Xiuhcoatl rifles once again. As of February 18, 5,000 short versions of the rifle had been manufactured, and currently another 5,000 of the standard version are being assembled. So it’s a green light for the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.

Switching from the G-3 rifle to the FX-05 means that the Mexican Army is changing from a 7.62 mm to a 5.56 mm round for its main assault rifle. The 7.62 mm round is right for an open battlefield situation, while the 5.56 mm is more suitable to close quarters urban combat, plus it weighs less so more rounds can be carried.

As the Mexican Army plays a key role in the government’s war on drug cartels, the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl is likely to get a lot of use in the future.

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Allan Wall, a MexiData.info columnist, recently returned from a tour of duty in Iraq. He currently resides in Mexico, where he has lived since 1991. He can be reached via e-mail at [email protected].
 
Pic from another site, but not a great one.....scanned from a newspaper.

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The 7.62 mm round is right for an open battlefield situation, while the 5.56 mm is more suitable to close quarters urban combat, plus it weighs less so more rounds can be carried.


Hmm, wonder if we'll get some Mexican surplus 7.62 headed our way? :evil:
 
Chrome lined barrels ftw.

I would like a rifle with a druaonov type gas system and an AR type bolt lock up in .223 or .243. I'm sure its out there.

Mexico could have designed their own weapon I wonder why they copied the g36 of all rifles.

I think they could have come up with something just as good and cheaper to make for less that it cost to manufacture their new space guns.
 
In the past, I've had to lock some threads because some people can't seem to discuss a Mexican made rifle without getting into the immigration issue. I understand that some may just be making a quick joke and think it is no big deal; but pretty soon someone takes offense to the joke or wants to discuss the issue further and then those who are actually interested in the rifle get drowned out by people (often single-issue posters joining in from other forums) discussing a topic that doesn't belong here to begin with.

So just to clarify and help prevent anything from derailing this thread, the Rifle Forum at THR is not the place to discuss immigration issues; but the place to discuss rifles.
 
Can anyone post the phonetic spelling of the rifles' name?

“Xiuhcoatl”

I'd say it's something like:

"shew-co-wa-tal"

Pronunciation Guide
The Aztec language, Nahuatl, is not difficult to pronounce, but is burdened with spellings based on Sixteenth Century Castilian Spanish. The following note should help.


Spelling Pronunciation
c - c as in “Cecil” before e or i; k before a or o

ch - sh

x - sh

hu, uh - w

qu - k as in “kettle” before e or i; “qu” as in “quack” before a

tl - as in English, but where “-tl” occurs at the end of a word the “l” is hardly sounded. Try saying "t" without releasing the tip of your tongue.


The stress always falls on the penultimate syllable.
 
Hmm, wonder if we'll get some Mexican surplus 7.62 headed our way?

Hmm, 5,000 rifles produced so far, 250,000-man military...

It will take years (probably a decade) to completely replace current battle rifles. Don't think much surplus 7.62 wil be coming up north.
 
Once again for those who didn't catch it the first time, this thread is for discussing the rifle. If you want to discuss foreign policy, international arms control, border conflict or any other topic that is not specific to this rifle then take it somewhere else.
 
I like it

I do like the looks of it and since the odds of HK making the G36 Civilian legal are slim to done maybe we convince Mexico to add this to the list of exports... I wonder how close it is to HK's... I'm wondering about interchangeability (if that's a word)...
 
I wonder just how different these are on the inside than G36s.

Anyhow, the Mexicans could have done much worse than a g36 clone.
 
Wow, I did not even know Mexico had an Army.. Also, are other countries not advancing by moving from a 5.56 to a larger round with more knock down power, even in the urban warfare? It seems that new weapon makers are going this route due to the advance in body armor.
 
Also, are other countries not advancing by moving from a 5.56 to a larger round with more knock down power, even in the urban warfare?

Since when? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any country that is moving towards larger-bore systems, and can think of tons that have moved smaller and smaller.

The Germans keep fiddling with sub-.22 calibers like the 4.6x30mm for their PDWs, and the like. The FN P90 and FN5.7 are in, well, 5.7mm.

Contrary to the "Hooray for .45 and .308" vibe on gunboards, very few militaries are rushing to haul out 1911s and M14s. I know that there are some units that have them, but in over a year in Iraq I saw one M14 (belonging to an EOD team) and one 1911.

G36 copy for Mexico? Makes sense to me.

-MV
 
"weapon makers", not what acually takes place. I dont understand why they are making them, if there are not plans to implement them somewhere. All you ever read/watch is that the 5.56 round does not have enough knock down power.
 
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