Saiga in .223/5.56 or 7.62?

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mrcpu

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If you had your choice, and stock and such were identical, would you go 7.62 or 5.56 for your Saiga?

I'm thinking of 5.56, lots of ammo out there, still a good round as far as I know, and I'm getting a MN for shooting 7.62 sized stuff.

Mainly just shooting for the heckuvit. I don't hunt, so spanging away at targets and steel and big rocks I suppose...
 
ok...i'll give this a shot....i just bought a saiga in 7.62x39 with a skeletton stock and am very happy with it.. with regards to the 7.62x39- it really boils down to personal preference...however...the saiga's come with low cap magazines from the factory. but now there are 7.62x39 high cap magazines (30rd) available specifically for the saiga that need no modification at all. i have one and it's 100% reliable, albeit expensive. these high caps are not available for the .223 or .308 versions to my knowledge.
 
I have a Saiga .308 w/20rd mags and a Saiga 7,62x39 converted to folding stock uses AK mags.Both rifles are very good shooting /working.I don't have a .223 Sagia yet just 3 20rd mags for it.
 
g8trgrad: Where can I get some high cap saiga mags? I was told just last week that I could only convert AK mags :cuss:
 
308 hi cap Saiga mags are available from FBMG.
.223 hi cap Saiga mags are called Gallil Mags and they come in 20, 30 and 40 round capacities.:)
 
How about 7.62? I really don't want to convert or buy converted, I had one converted 20 rounder and it shakes like a person of ill repute in church :neener:
 
Galil mags can only be used on a converted rifle. Surefire makes 30rd magazines for unconverted 223 and 7.62x39 Saiga rifles.
 
Surefire makes 30rd magazines for unconverted 223 and 7.62x39 Saiga rifles.
How do they square that with 922r? I have to admit that I don't really understand the ins and outs of that legislation, but I was under the impression that you had to do the conversion with US-made parts before you could use the hi-cap mags legally.
 
Since you are not a hunter, I'd get the Saiga in (1st choice) 223, or (2nd choice) 7.62x39. Then I'd convert it.


I have the 308 and I LOVE it. Mine, however, was purchased to fill a need for a high power 30 caliber rifle. I already have AK's in 7.62x39.

The 308 is my favorite but it ain't cheap to shoot for fun these days.


John
 
How do they square that with 922r? I have to admit that I don't really understand the ins and outs of that legislation, but I was under the impression that you had to do the conversion with US-made parts before you could use the hi-cap mags legally.
First, let's baseline what 922(r) is/means.

It stipulates (in the part relevant to this discussion) that you, the good serf that you are, cannot assemble a rifle from parts if it results in a rifle that would otherwise not be legal to import into the US. When the AWB was in place, that had pretty broad meaning and generally included hi-cap mags and all the 'evil features' that make folks wet their panties. With the expiration of the AWB, the import laws relaxed and now the threshold is the lower bar known as the 'sporting purposes' clause.

RAA has been allowed to import semiautomatic AK-derived rifles from Iszmash in a specific 'sporting' configuration. Does that mean that altering that configuration places the rifle at odds with 922(r)? Not yet. Not until RAA tries to import a hi-cap version of the Saiga and is rejected, or the F Troop issues a summary advisory that they consider a hi-cap Saiga to be either 'sporting' or 'non-sporting'. Right now, there is nothing on the books one way or another.

Having established this, it should be pretty obvious that Surefire doesn't *have* to square it with 922(r). They can sell the mags without a care, since they can't control how you use them. 922(r) compliance is *your* problem. They can always claim that they presumed you understood the law and made your rifle 92(r) compliant, if such compliance is ever required.

If you buy a Surefire hi-cap and use it in a non-converted rifle, you're rolling the dice that the F Troop won't know or will consider that to still be 'sporting' enough for them. On the other hand, if you convert a rifle to be 922(r) compliant (play the 'ten parts or less' game), you're spending a fair chunk of money for the conversion based solely upon a fear that the F Troop might decide one day that your rifle isn't sporting enough....
 
mrcpu,

There's the rub. You can do it yourself and save a LOT of money-- or buy one pre-converted and spend about $350 OVER the cost of the gun. (Sadly, I did this out of lack of confidence at the time.)

Converting one is actually pretty easy with minimal basic handtools. And the guys at the Saiga forum will help you through ANYTHING that stumps you-- GREAT bunch of guys, they are.

So... converting will cost you:

Tapco G2 Trigger group-- 30-40 dollars
KVar or similar buttstock-- 45-ish dollars MAX
Pistol grip-- 5-10 dollars
Bullet guide-- depends -- "free" (cut pipe) to 40-ish dollars (Danzig).

If you get one of the 223's or 7.62x39, you will need to install a bullet guide to allow it to take the standard magazines. You CAN make a guide or buy one cheaply. However, I HIGHLY suggest contacting Danzig on the Saiga forums and order one from him. He sends with it ALL the tools needed and will assist if you need some advice.

Even though you have to sink a bit into a Saiga to get the military style, you will end up having an AK on par with the quality, accuracy (maybe better) and durability of an Arsenal for significantly less. And in my case, I get to get an AK in a full power cartridge, which Arsenal doesn't (or practically anyone else) offers.

They just need a little love to do it.

John
 
I might have tot ry that. I'm not that good with tools, but I have a great smith that's worked magic on my 1911's very close, so if I can't figger it out, I'm sure he can undo the damage.
 
I can't seem to find a website for the surefire mags...anyone got a link for the internet impaired? :uhoh:
 
Yes Sir.....I did the conversion myself. I have done 8 Saiga conversions so far. I was scared to death the first time though. Just go slow and take off a little metal at a time. The Saiga .223s are great rifles guys. Very accurate shooters.............
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Mike,

I am thinking of doing my own conversion if I ever decided to get a 223 rifle. Yours looks great!


John
 
I went .223.....but I already had 2 AKs and 3 SKSs, was looking at ARs but decided to go the po' man route and just get the SAIGA.

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For plinking - definitely .223. Less recoil and cheaper ammo. Flat trajectory makes aiming easier, too.
 
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