Think all liberals are against gun rights?

In my experience, Liberals in general believe in waiting periods and background checks when purchasing firearms, but they also believe one should have the right to purchase that firearm should a person pass those background checks. All of the Liberals I know support the 2nd Amendment primarily for the purpose of civilians A) Supporting military forces in the event of an invasion that reached U.S. soil as resistance fighters, and B) To allow an armed resistance should the Constitutional government somehow be overthrown (a major military coup, insane Dictator wannabe, or whatever reason). Admittedly both are unlikely, B extremely so, but they are situations that were considered when the 2nd Amendment was written and they are situations where Liberals would step up and say, "I need a gun."

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Your Liberals sure are conservative.

In my experience living in one of the most admittedly Liberal neighborhoods on the planet (it's actually documented somewhere), whenever I talk about the right to keep and bear arms as a last stand against a tyrannical government or an invasion, they tend to say things like "Come On! That could never happen!" or "Where's the tinfoil?" followed by an "I just don't like guns".

Think all liberals are against gun rights?

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Just as much as i think all conservatives are anti social programs . Putting lipstick on a pig ( the nyt ) via one article wont make it any better, it just makes it a pig with lipstick . I dont need to , and wont , but before you parade this sole article , please search the entire online archive for guns or gun control , and see what way the paper leans overall .

...before you parade this sole article , please search the entire online archive for guns or gun control , and see what way the paper leans overall .

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I think the "liberal" point had to do with the ACLU being involved, not with it being a New York Times story. Everybody knows the NYT's editorial policy is mostly anti-gun. The point is that it's good news any time a pro-gun story makes it into such a paper. You'd be surprised how much ripple effect a thing like that can have--I know people who get their whole worldview from that paper, and these pro-gun feature stories are very helpful, especially since the anti-gun editorials are mostly a lot of the same old blah, blah, blah.

I see no point in spending time searching the paper's archive if the goal is to decide to ignore a little bit of good news by immersing yourself in the bad news that everybody already knows anyway.

"Who does a liberal 2nd amendment supporter vote for anyway?"

Bill Richardson

@Bellevance

Having lived in Vermont in the past, your 'Green Mountain Boy liberals' are a whole different breed.

That said, outside of Vermont, yes I do think they hate guns.

"That said, outside of Vermont, yes I do think they hate guns."

No, they don't. See above post. Lower Lautenbourg is South Jersey.

mike101, I was referring to the original poster.

I'm not.

But then I'm not a "progressive".

Liberals think that women should be able to have abortions if they want to.

Progressives think that Stalin's terror famine in the Ukraine was a "hoax".

Think all liberals are against gun rights?

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What's a liberal?

A lot of us progressives

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How nice for you. Which is it...liberal or progressive? For all I know, you could be declaring yourself to be gay or an atheist, with guns irrlevant to your choice of political parties.

support the Second Amendment without equivocation.

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Nonsense. Higher priorities lead them to ultimately vote for gun grabbers or to ignore that the party of choice is effectively anti-gun, both in how its votes tally and in its leadership.

It is interesting to read that ACLU would be involved in this.

"he would pull the D lever even if Satan were on the ticket."


Flame, I find that super funny, and super scarry at the same time! I think truely that most hard corps liberals are the same way. Form my observations they are...doesn't matter how corrupt, dumb, or horrible for the counrty they would be, if they are a demo, they are voting D all the way.

Edit: I don;t know ONE Republican who votes a streight repub ticket...why do we seem to be more issue orented!?

On the other hand, here in NM, I don;t know one liberal who doesn't vote a streight D ticket???!!

This has to be one of the most immature threads ever allowed on the site.

Talk about "Booh, Sucks, Your mother wears cowboy boots".

Until this childish Liberal versus Conservative rubbish stops and everyone starts treating each other as individuals with a common interest in gun rights, allowing for different beliefs in other areas, the "gun grabbers" are going to divide and conquer - and it will be our own fault.

As for voting straight "R" my father-in-law was a perfect example. Good guy and all that but he had started voting "R" in the 1940s and never examined an issue since then. Both sides are subject to strongly held opposing beliefs in many areas. The question is are we going to waste our energy in slanging matches or are we going to use that energy to achieve our common goals?

We have a different term in Texas.

he would pull the D lever even if Satan were on the ticket.

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There was a saying in Texas years ago that some folks would vote for the Democratic candidate even if the Dem's put an old yellow dog on the ballot. Thus the old Texas term, "Yellow Dog Democrat". In other words, someone so staunchly Democratic that they would never consider voting any other way.
For some of you who may not remember, The 'Old' Democratic party was the party of the South. From Reconstruction (the period immediately after the War Between the States) until FDR and Harry Truman began campaigning for the rights of minorities.
Most Southern Conservatives were Democrats until segregation was abolished. It was only then that Southern Conservative and Republican became one and the same thing. In fact, there are rural counties in Texas today who are represented by Democrats, some of whom are more Conservative than many Republicans in other parts of the country.
Believe it or not, rural Texas Democrats have introduced several important pieces of pending pro gun legislation (HB 992 by Rep. Patrick Rose (D-Dripping Springs). HB 992 would allow concealed handgun license holders to lock their weapons in their car while parked on their employer's private parking lot with NO interference from their employer.

Shooter503 is absolutely right.

Did Y'all Not Catch This?

Defiant police officers and prosecutors, however, saying they retain law enforcement discretion, have continued arresting and bringing cases against motorists like Mr. Patton found with unlicensed handguns.

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See that which I put in bold? Since when does Texas license handguns? I don't think I'd even let my guns apply for any kind of license. They are under my control. I never let them out by themselves, and besides, I don't think any of them are smart enough to do anything that would require a license to begin with. My guns are all just too dumb! Hell, I've even got to point them at the targets I want hit, and they're not even smart enough to fire on those targets once they are pointed in the right direction! I've got to pull the damned trigger myself!

Must be that public education they all received before I adopted them. Least ways, it seems the NY Times wants to elevate them to the status of license-hood. Isn't it enough that those of us who want to carry them around have to get some sort of license?

Sheesh!

Woody

If you want security, buy a gun. If you want longevity, learn how to use it. If you want freedom, carry it. There is nothing worth more than freedom you win for yourself. There is nothing more valuable to that end than the tools of the right that make it possible. B.E.Wood

Deanimator, I agree

Ive heard quite a few liberal defend Slovidan Milosevic, so it goes pretty low.

I'm not.

But then I'm not a "progressive".

Liberals think that women should be able to have abortions if they want to.

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I don't. Not unless birthing poses a significant risk to the woman's life.

Takes all kinds, I guess.

woodcdi

Do a careful check of your state's laws.

See that which I put in bold? Since when does Texas license handguns? I don't think I'd even let my guns apply for any kind of license. They are under my control. I never let them out by themselves, and besides, I don't think any of them are smart enough to do anything that would require a license to begin with. My guns are all just too dumb! Hell, I've even got to point them at the targets I want hit, and they're not even smart enough to fire on those targets once they are pointed in the right direction! I've got to pull the damned trigger myself!

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I'm pretty sure Oklahoma doesn't license handguns either. But they DO license those who control them. I'm not too familiar with your state's laws. But I do know that as a Texas Concealed Handgun Licensee I am ok to carry legally in your state. If you are not licensed in your state, YOU do not have those same privileges.
If you don't like your state's laws, work to change them.

Least ways, it seems the NY Times wants to elevate them to the status of license-hood.

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By the way I am not sure this was written by NY Times. The exact same article is in the Houston paper.

NY Times claims Ralph Blumenthal but the article is showing up in several places so it's hard to tell for sure.

+1 to Shooter503.

Born in Texas, but came to Missississippi as soon as I could. Here your car is considered to be an extension of your home.

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Think all liberals are against gun rights?
I sure do. In the end any one of them would sell you out if they believed it was in the interest of the nanny state to do so.

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Now I know that I am new to these forums and I have to say that this is an f'd up statement. Now I am sure I will get hammered for saying that but I really have to speak my mind on this issue. I am not sure if I am a liberal at this point but President Bush's actions have lead me to not like our current President. Your statement was idiotic to say at least

I have my CHL and have lots of friends on the DFW area that are cops and if a non-licensed person has a gun in their car, they wont arrest them, they feel that they are not breaking any law. I have my CHL totally support the 2nd amendment, if I am defined a liberal, then I guess I am one of those that backs the military, supports the NRA, and believes in the right to bare arms

In TEXAS you do NOT have to have a license to purchase, or pocess (in your home and/or business) a handgun.

In TEXAS you CAN NOT open carry exept within your home, land and/or business or if you are legaly hunting.

In TEXAS you CAN NOT conceal a handgun on or about your body without a license to do so issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (Tx DPS).

In TEXAS you CAN carry a long arm in your vehicle, AS LONG AS there is no cartridge in the chamber.

In TEXAS you are SUPPOSED to be able to keep a concealed hangun withen your vehicle when travelling. Case law has generally defined this as crossing two or more county lines and staying more than 24 hours. THIS is open to interpretation by EACH and EVERY judge!

All in All "I'm GLAD I live in TEXAS"

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

I'm a third generation Damocrat. I have loved guns all my life, and supportany good citizen's right to own whatever kiind of gun there is.I don't like any of the Dem candidates I have seen so far, but I don't like any of the Rep's candidates either.
FWIW, I have owned several AK's, now own a Chinese SKS and I'm in the process of buying a FAL.
I believe that people have the right to make their own choices, including weather or not to be armed. Im armed.
Mark

msimonds, The right that you speak so highly of the riight to BEAR arms, as in to carry and to pocess. However you do also have the right to BARE arms, even in the winter!

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

In TEXAS you CAN carry a long arm in your vehicle, AS LONG AS there is no cartridge in the chamber.

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WRONG. You can carry a long arm in just about any condition you want.

Loaded, unloaded, makes no difference.

There are a couple of municipalities with ordinances here, but at the state level there is no regulation of carrying of long arms at all other than the usual restrictions on where you can carry ANY firearm.