What to expect from Cimarron Replicas

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Lovesbeer99

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Not just Cimarron, but also Uberti and Taylors and EMF. I've been considering the replica 1858 or 1860 Colts, Catridge Conversion Replicas. They retail from about 425.00.

Are these any good?
Can they be shot a lot like in Cowboy action or will they fall apart and are just conversation pieces?
Accurate or just lucky to hit a barn?
Smooth, or just Cheap look-a-likes?
Are the internals just like the originals (true replica) or are these just look alikes with modern internals?

Thanks.
Lovesbeer99 (but shoots safe)
 
AFAIK, Cimmaron guns are made by Uberti, but supposedly assembled and fitted in the U.S. IMHO, the EMF is not as good quality. I know nothing about Taylor. USFA guns are pretty good and well made, but not cheap.

None of the imports, again in my opinion and experience, are as good or durable as the original Colts, but you can buy several for the cost of even a modern Colt. Parts do break, especially the cylinder bolt/trigger spring, and I recommend having a few on hand, along with some spare hands or hand springs. Otherwise, they hold up pretty well, and accuracy is adequate for the cowboy game.

You can have any of those guns tuned up and timed, but when done by someone who knows how, the added cost will be almost as much as the gun. One thing that helps is to time the gun so the hammer hits the backstrap just as the trigger clicks into the full cock notch and the bolt drops into the cylinder notch. That takes the strain off the hand, adding a lot of life to the gun. But to do that, often the backstrap has to be built up, not a job for the amateur.

Jim
 
I have four and their all exellent. Solid reliable accurate guns. Buy one and see for yourself.
 

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Cimarron and Uberti are now offering cartridge conversion replica's. this is very intersting to me. Basically I get an 1851 Navy, weight, look and feel, with a modern cartridge like the 38spl (Only Uberti offers th 38 special. Cimarron offers the 38 s&w). I think this may be my next gun.

Any issues with Uberti?

By the way, Cimarron is offering a "man with no name" model with silver snake inlays.

Enjoy
Lovesbeer99
 
Timothy75 - I just took a look at your thumbnails (after I posted my reply). Is that an 1851 Navy, and 1860 Army Catridge Conversion? These are the guns I'm looking at, but like I posted earlier, uberti offers it in a 38spl.

They look sweet.

Lovesbeer99
 
Those are both from Cimarron an 1851navy and an 1851navy conversion. The conversion says 38 colt & spl on the barrel. If you saw one somewhere it probably is a cimarron I'm not sure if Uberti offers one. Their one in the same but Cimarron can get Uberti to do special things for them.
 
So have you put 38spl through yours or just 38s&w?
According to the Cimarron website they don't offer 38spl, but the website could be incomplete. Uberti's sight says that it offers the 38 spl.

Lovesbeer99 (but shoots safe)
 
None are chambered for 38s&w which I believe uses a .360 dia bullet IIRC. Mines chambered for 38 colt and special. 38colt is just a short 38special. I also have a 1860 army conversion chambered in 44 colt which is just a short 44 special in the current version. I'll try to get a pic up tonight.
 

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These are Cimarron/Uberti 1872 Open Top .44 Colt cartridge revolvers.
I have owned them for four or five years and use them on those occasions I get to shoot Cowboy Action events.

No major issues, I have broke hand springs and a loading gate spring, I would recommend spares of these be kept on hand along with a hammer spring.
These springs are the parts that will give you the most probable source of a breakdown.

To clarify the caliber because this can become confusing to some folks,
Modern .44 Colt is nothing more than a shortened .44 special case with a slightly thinner rim.
This cartridge uses the same .429" diameter bullets as the special and weights of 180 to 240 grains can be used though the powder charges are only safe at about 20% less than a standard .44 special load.
Try anything heavier in a smokeless powder load and the non reinforced frame revolvers will quickly loosen up and get out of time.
.44 Russian cartridges may also be loaded and fired in these revolvers too, I shoot them probably more than the .44 Colt cartridges since .44 Russian cases are cheaper than .44 Colt where I get my stuff.

Original .44 Colt loads were heel loaded ,(like a .22 long rifle cartridge), .454" diameter, and a real pain to load or keep on target.
Sometimes the bullets fell out of the cases and tied up the revolvers too, a real pain and no more needs be said about it.

Real blackpowder loads do not do well in these revolvers either.
No matter what type of lube technique I have tried the guns very quickly foul out to the point the cylinder will not rotate.
Clean Shot and Clear Shot blackpowder substitutes work fairly well but accuracy is no where near as good as smokeless loads in my revolvers.

If you appreciate very early cartridge firearms designs one of these revolvers is well worth owning.

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I must respectfully disagree with Onmilo, real black powder loads are all I've fired out of all four of mine, and due to the gas ring on the cylinder which completely sheilds the arbor from fouling they run better than the model of 1873 in my experience.
 
I have an Uberti 1860 Army .44, which I just got a few weeks ago. The fit and finish are practically perfect, and the action, now that I have taken it apart to clean it and throw some Tetra Gun Grease in there, is so silky smooth as to be unbelievable. I would recommend this gun to anybody wanting to get into Black Powder shooting.

I also have a .31 Wells Fargo and a .36 1862. All of these guns are accurate with lesser loads of powder (12 gr. in the .31, 16 in the .36 and .25 in the
.44) These other two are also Uberti and I was very pleased with the guns when I got them, and moreso after shooting them.

All B-P revolvers will clog up a bit with burnt powder on the face of the cylinder and between the barrel. Using a bullet covering grease such as Bore Butter helps lessen the fouling, helps with cleaning, and lets you keep shooting longer.

I have a Pietta .36 1858 Remington replica, and I would not recommend it to anybody. Same for Armi San Marco (of which I had and left at a gun store in trade for labor on another project a .36 Navy via EMF). Uberti just has the better product, bar none that I have found.

Get yourself an Uberti 1860 and you will be one happy shooter.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
<<By the way, Cimarron is offering a "man with no name" model with silver snake inlays. >>


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I read somewhere that the grimace that Clint had was from the cigars he smoked in those movies and the movie lighting being close to his face in the "Spaghetti Westerns". Are those the cigars he smoked?

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
<< Are those the cigars he smoked?>>


I believe those are the ones.


<< I read somewhere that the grimace that Clint had was from the cigars he smoked in those movies>>

Yea, those things would be the culprit.
Their terrible. One should only chew on them, after lighting those things up. Puffing on those things is just as bad as inhaling them.
Smell bad, taste bad. One good thing. Their inexpensive. In Italy, you get them dirt cheap. Inported, you pay twice as much.

p.s. those cigs. fit that character. Just think if he smoked those expensive Havanas.
 
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